# Angry Muslim crowd torches embassies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023 "2006-02-04T20:35:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/181 "2006-02-07T07:20:53Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is, in no particular order, infuriating, confusing, and suspicious. Why the fuck are these people chanting about Israel when they’re pissed about Danish cartoons? Gee, I wonder if somebody’s encouraging them. :rolleyes:. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/182 "2006-02-07T07:57:41Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I don’t get that reference! Therefore I say “Death to Uruguay!” ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/183 "2006-02-07T10:29:50Z")
hehehehehe **lieu** 🙂 **The Flying Dutchman** I didn’t mean it to be a racist remark. I was merely trying to find an explanation as to how it is possible for people to react this way. But since I like you too, I’ll withdraw it. 🙂 Originally posted by **Starving Artist** > [@](#): > > _And of course Muslim hotheads can have a tremendously destructive impact upon the quality of life and the freedoms that currently exist in democratic countries in the meantime simply by virtue of the fear of reprisals anytime someone engages in behavior they dissaprove of. This has started already._ Yes, it has, I’m sorry to say. Fear seems to rule Holland and I’m deeply embarrassed by it. It _could_ be a left-over feeling of Political Correctness, but that would mean the PCs haven’t seen or read the news since 1978, or so. 😛 I think the Netherlands react to the submission of Islam, the same way as we reacted to the submission of the Nazi’s: We look the other way and hope it’ll go away. There’s an interesting interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali about our cowardly behavior in Der Spiegel [German newspaper] Here’s a quote, but you might want to read all of it. ‘Everyone Is Afraid to Criticize Islam’ Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn’t stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech. [http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html](http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/184 "2006-02-07T10:57:03Z")
> [@SA](#): > > There’s no correlation between the Japanese mindset during WWII and Muslim extremism throughout the world. Why not? Sure, they’re different societies in many ways, but what makes you so sure that Muslim extremist suicide missions indicate that they’re willing to destroy all of their own society while Japanese suicide missions didn’t? > [@SA](#): > > And besides, we’re positing a reactionary scenario here in which various European countries are forced to take repressive measures in order to protect themselves from the Muslims in their midst. Equitability, fairness and rationality are likely to take a back seat as a result. Oh, I see. Sorry, I hadn’t realized that you were envisioning the **stupid** things, or irrational things, that societies might undertake “in order to protect themselves”. > [@SA](#): > > Well, if you were France, would you want a society that was repressive and intolerant toward an ideology that was theatening your very existence (an existence that includes many wonderful, beautiful things and ways of life), or would you want life there turned into a version of Iran under the Ayatollahs or Afghanistan under the Taliban? Neither. > [@Marley23](#): > > **bluethree** , it’s kind of stodgy, old-fashioned turn of phrase, but it was obvious there was no sexist or possessive intent on **Sam Stone** ’s part As I said, I quite agree on what **Sam** must have meant, but to me the phrase **did** come across as kind of absurdly patriarchal. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/185 "2006-02-07T12:05:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t get that reference! Therefore I say “Death to Uruguay!” :eek: RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!!! ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/186 "2006-02-07T14:14:11Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > As I noted, the Japanese in WWII also sent their children off to die in suicide missions, and the Japanese haven’t annihilated their own society. Actually, they did. The militaristic emperor-worshipping part of society killed itself by suicidally attacking an opponent that had no realistic chance of defeating in the long run. It led to millions of Japanese deaths, and the postwar reconstruction was only secondarily about roads and bridges: far more profound was the revolutionizing of large parts of Japanese culture. Japanese culture _as the militarists defined it_, and the facets of that culture that they considered most critical to Japanese identity, were indeed destroyed. I don’t think anyone imagines that Muslim extremists will end up getting every single Muslim in the world killed, or in getting Syria wiped off the map and replaced by a void. But by initiating a confrontation they do not win, the jihadis may well end up causing the annihilation of Muslim society _as they define it_. In their eyes, a “Muslim” world with democracy, women’s rights and freedom to blaspheme all imposed by a conquering west would scarcely be worth the name. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/187 "2006-02-07T19:50:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh, I see. Sorry, I hadn’t realized that you were envisioning the **stupid** things, or irrational things, that societies might undertake “in order to protect themselves”. No problem. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/188 "2006-02-07T22:31:25Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Actually, they did. That’s basically what **Jackmannii** was saying, and as I noted above, it’s a good point. However, it’s not the point that **Starving Artist** was making; he, on the contrary, was rejecting any comparison between WWII Japanese and modern Muslim extremist society. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/189 "2006-02-07T22:46:00Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That’s basically what **Jackmannii** was saying, and as I noted above, it’s a good point. However, it’s not the point that **Starving Artist** was making; he, on the contrary, was rejecting any comparison between WWII Japanese and modern Muslim extremist society. Not quite. I was rejecting the notion that the Japanese as a society have as little regard for the lives of their own as appears to be the case throughout the Muslim world, and I was rejecting the notion that the existence of Japanese Kamikazi pilots proved that it did. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/190 "2006-02-08T00:39:46Z")
I just had a brilliant idea. Can’t we put huge amounts of prozac, or medicines against ADHD into those little glasses of tea they drink at the mosques? Muslims happy, we happy. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/191 "2006-02-08T00:59:44Z")
So now muslims are people with mental disorders? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/192 "2006-02-08T01:14:39Z")
Depression, nor ADHD are mental disorders, you ignorant insect. But see for yourself [http://www.maroc.nu/club/upload/thumbs/t\_\_41298296\_protest2-ap-203x300\_106.jpg](http://www.maroc.nu/club/upload/thumbs/t__41298296_protest2-ap-203x300_106.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/193 "2006-02-08T01:22:31Z")
mmmmm. They’re not so bad at drawing themselves: [![](https://www.frontaalnaakt.nl/archives/Deenseambassadeur.jpg) ](https://www.frontaalnaakt.nl/archives/Deenseambassadeur.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/194 "2006-02-08T01:40:23Z")
Sigh. > [@](#): > > The year 2000 Diagnostic & Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR) provides criteria for diagnosing ADHD. > [@](#): > > Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is one of the most commonly diagnosed mental disorders among children [http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/symptom.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/symptom.htm) > **[Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD)** > > Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity, which are pervasive, impairing, and otherwise age inappropriate. Some individuals with ADHD also display difficulty regulating emotions, or problems with executive function. For a diagnosis, the symptoms have to be present for more than six months, and cause problems in at least two settings (such as school, home, work, or recreational activities). I Th... There’s pages and pages of cites if you go to google and search for something other than ammunition to use against Muslims. Or if you like a behaviour disorder or a brain disorder, whatever. It still doesn’t change the fact that you are a hate filled person who has lost perspective. I don’t know what you are trying to prove with the pictures. No-one has said that there are not hate filled idiots on the other side as well. Few here however have said that the majority of Muslims are on the fanatics side and are suffering from mental/behavioural disorders possibly brought on by inbreeding. You however have. Whether I’m a insect, a pathetic little man or like wearing pink tutu while swimming in my out shit doesn’t change what you are one little bit. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/195 "2006-02-08T01:41:58Z")
Swimming in my _own_ shit. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/196 "2006-02-08T11:34:56Z")
> [@gum](#): > > From Time: > > Yes, there’s no reason to offend people of any faith arbitrarily. We owe all faiths respect. But the Danish cartoons were not arbitrarily offensive. They were designed to reveal Islamic intolerance–and they have now done so, in abundance. The West’s principles are clear enough. Tolerance? Yes. Faith? Absolutely. Freedom of speech? Nonnegotiable. > > Also: > > Non-Jews slander non-Jewish prophets and then come to hang the Jews, one could say of the latest, ugly twist in the Danish cartoon controversy, paraphrasing one of Menachem Begin’s most famous lines. > > A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization, the Arab European League, posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its Web site on Saturday in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers last year and offended many Muslims, unleashing violent demonstrations around the Islamic world. > > One of the AEL cartoons reportedly displayed an image of Anne Frank in bed with Hitler, and another questioned whether the Holocaust actually occurred. > > Dyab Abou Jahjah, the party’s founder and best-known figure, defended the action on the Dutch television program Nova Saturday. > > ## “Europe has its sacred cows, even if they’re not religious sacred cows,” he told the program. > > Abou Jahjah is a very dangerous man, imo. > . **Gum** you need to get a grip! You have developed a nasty case of ‘judge the man before the behaviour’. NOOOOOOOOOOO you will shout BUT look at Iraq! Is forced democracy democratic? Surely the force nrgates the democracy! ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/197 "2006-02-08T13:25:04Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > So now muslims are people with mental disorders? Well, an awful lot of them do seem to behave like stupid, angry little children. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/198 "2006-02-08T16:32:17Z")
> [@Pope Bob The Pious](#): > > I must have missed all the Christian rioting over the wardrobe malfunction. Don’t need to. We got Tivo. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > Yes, and if my grandmother had the following and legislative support that Muslim fundamentalists have, we’d be a nation forced to crochet afghans while watching endless repeats of Mannix. I, for one, welcome our new Afghan overlords. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/199 "2006-02-08T17:23:12Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Well, an awful lot of them do seem to behave like stupid, angry little children. Agreed. That’s not what I was talking about though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023/200 "2006-02-08T20:24:00Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > NOOOOOOOOOOO you will shout BUT look at Iraq! Is forced democracy democratic? Surely the force nrgates the democracy! I just had to respond to this statement. Is the US democratic ? Wouldn’t you agree that US democracy was achieved through American force of arms ? And Germany ? And Japan ? How about most of the other countries in western Europe? WW II and all that. The French too, despite the gruesomeness of their revolution. If you like the result of American force of arms which have virtually resulted in the entrenched sense of western Democracy today, a place where we could all feel comfortable, why should the US stop at white peoples. It worked for Japan didn’t it ? There is a sense of democracy increasing throughout the world in non Islamic countries, in some cases not exactly to our liking, but it is encouraging for the future of the globe. In fact there have been some commentators who have pointed out that part of the uproar and violence we’ve seen in the Muslim part of the world is because of the perceived permission to protest freely not normally granted to Muslims in Islamic countries. Condemnation of a western country is an outlet for pained self expression. I’ll buy that and support “forced” democracy wherever it is applied. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angry-muslim-crowd-torches-embassies/343023.md?page=11)