Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
I don’t get that reference! Therefore I say “Death to Uruguay!”
hehehehehe lieu 
The Flying Dutchman I didn’t mean it to be a racist remark. I was merely trying to find an explanation as to how it is possible for people to react this way.
But since I like you too, I’ll withdraw it.
Originally posted by Starving Artist
Yes, it has, I’m sorry to say.
Fear seems to rule Holland and I’m deeply embarrassed by it.
It could be a left-over feeling of Political Correctness, but that would mean the PCs haven’t seen or read the news since 1978, or so. 
I think the Netherlands react to the submission of Islam, the same way as we reacted to the submission of the Nazi’s: We look the other way and hope it’ll go away.
There’s an interesting interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali about our cowardly behavior in Der Spiegel [German newspaper]
Here’s a quote, but you might want to read all of it.
‘Everyone Is Afraid to Criticize Islam’
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch politician forced to go into hiding after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, responds to the Danish cartoon scandal, arguing that if Europe doesn’t stand up to extremists, a culture of self-censorship of criticism of Islam that pervades in Holland will spread in Europe. Auf Wiedersehen, free speech.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,399263,00.html
Why not? Sure, they’re different societies in many ways, but what makes you so sure that Muslim extremist suicide missions indicate that they’re willing to destroy all of their own society while Japanese suicide missions didn’t?
Oh, I see. Sorry, I hadn’t realized that you were envisioning the stupid things, or irrational things, that societies might undertake “in order to protect themselves”.
Neither.
As I said, I quite agree on what Sam must have meant, but to me the phrase did come across as kind of absurdly patriarchal.
:eek:
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!!!
Actually, they did. The militaristic emperor-worshipping part of society killed itself by suicidally attacking an opponent that had no realistic chance of defeating in the long run. It led to millions of Japanese deaths, and the postwar reconstruction was only secondarily about roads and bridges: far more profound was the revolutionizing of large parts of Japanese culture. Japanese culture as the militarists defined it, and the facets of that culture that they considered most critical to Japanese identity, were indeed destroyed.
I don’t think anyone imagines that Muslim extremists will end up getting every single Muslim in the world killed, or in getting Syria wiped off the map and replaced by a void. But by initiating a confrontation they do not win, the jihadis may well end up causing the annihilation of Muslim society as they define it. In their eyes, a “Muslim” world with democracy, women’s rights and freedom to blaspheme all imposed by a conquering west would scarcely be worth the name.
No problem. Thanks.
That’s basically what Jackmannii was saying, and as I noted above, it’s a good point. However, it’s not the point that Starving Artist was making; he, on the contrary, was rejecting any comparison between WWII Japanese and modern Muslim extremist society.
Not quite. I was rejecting the notion that the Japanese as a society have as little regard for the lives of their own as appears to be the case throughout the Muslim world, and I was rejecting the notion that the existence of Japanese Kamikazi pilots proved that it did.
I just had a brilliant idea.
Can’t we put huge amounts of prozac, or medicines against ADHD into those little glasses of tea they drink at the mosques?
Muslims happy, we happy.
So now muslims are people with mental disorders?
Depression, nor ADHD are mental disorders, you ignorant insect.
But see for yourself http://www.maroc.nu/club/upload/thumbs/t__41298296_protest2-ap-203x300_106.jpg
mmmmm. They’re not so bad at drawing themselves:
Sigh.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/symptom.htm
There’s pages and pages of cites if you go to google and search for something other than ammunition to use against Muslims.
Or if you like a behaviour disorder or a brain disorder, whatever. It still doesn’t change the fact that you are a hate filled person who has lost perspective.
I don’t know what you are trying to prove with the pictures. No-one has said that there are not hate filled idiots on the other side as well. Few here however have said that the majority of Muslims are on the fanatics side and are suffering from mental/behavioural disorders possibly brought on by inbreeding. You however have.
Whether I’m a insect, a pathetic little man or like wearing pink tutu while swimming in my out shit doesn’t change what you are one little bit.
Swimming in my own shit.
Gum you need to get a grip! You have developed a nasty case of ‘judge the man before the behaviour’.
NOOOOOOOOOOO you will shout BUT look at Iraq! Is forced democracy democratic? Surely the force nrgates the democracy!
Well, an awful lot of them do seem to behave like stupid, angry little children.
Don’t need to. We got Tivo.
I, for one, welcome our new Afghan overlords.
Regards,
Shodan
Agreed. That’s not what I was talking about though.
I just had to respond to this statement. Is the US democratic ? Wouldn’t you agree that US democracy was achieved through American force of arms ? And Germany ? And Japan ? How about most of the other countries in western Europe? WW II and all that. The French too, despite the gruesomeness of their revolution. If you like the result of American force of arms which have virtually resulted in the entrenched sense of western Democracy today, a place where we could all feel comfortable, why should the US stop at white peoples. It worked for Japan didn’t it ? There is a sense of democracy increasing throughout the world in non Islamic countries, in some cases not exactly to our liking, but it is encouraging for the future of the globe.
In fact there have been some commentators who have pointed out that part of the uproar and violence we’ve seen in the Muslim part of the world is because of the perceived permission to protest freely not normally granted to Muslims in Islamic countries. Condemnation of a western country is an outlet for pained self expression. I’ll buy that and support “forced” democracy wherever it is applied.