# Ann Coulter and Whittaker Chambers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 3, 2003, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975 "2003-07-03T07:42:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Inoshiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a9adbd/32.png) [@Inoshiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inoshiro)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/21 "2003-07-03T18:46:10Z")
Coulter does seem to be burning through her shock value rather quickly of late. Pretty soon she’ll have to come out topless and bite the head off a live liberal on the set to get any attention. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/22 "2003-07-03T18:48:20Z")
Does ANYONE actually take Coulter seriously? Besides Free Republic, that is. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/23 "2003-07-03T18:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Zoidberg \* > \*\*Coulter does seem to be burning through her shock value rather quickly of late. Pretty soon she’ll have to come out topless and bite the head off a live liberal on the set to get any attention. 🙂 \*\* \ Oh my God! She killed Kenny! The Bitch! \ Although I’m now having a wonderful parody of “Kyle’s Mom’s a Bitch” going through my head… “Ohhhhh… Coulter’s a bitch, she’s a skinny little bitch, she’s the biggest bitch in the right-wing world…” ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/24 "2003-07-03T19:33:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > The mind boggles that a single person buys this woman’s books. I guess she’s the right’s equivalent of Michael Moore. I challenge you to find something Michael Moore has said or written that’s half as insane as Coulter’s latest train wreck. Yeah, Moore leans hard left at times, but Ann’s fallen completely off the scale. ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/25 "2003-07-04T04:05:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*I challenge you to find something Michael Moore has said or written that’s half as insane as Coulter’s latest train wreck. Yeah, Moore leans hard left at times, but Ann’s fallen completely off the scale. \*\* Mike Moore is alleged to have said that 9/11 would not have occured if there had been more black men aboard the hijacked planes as they wouldnt have been ‘scaredy cats’ like the white passengers. That seems to me Coulteresque in its stupidity and I hope they never mate as it wouldnt be fair on the children. I consider him Exhibit A that while the correlation between rightwing views and knuckle-dragging stupidity is high, the left is not free of it. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/26 "2003-07-04T04:20:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Mike Moore is alleged to have said Alleged by whom? I would find this _prima facie_ evidence that Moore is stupider than I currently view him, but I have never encountered this, so Coulter retains her crown for absolute, blindingly partisan stupidity until some evidence shows up on Moore. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/27 "2003-07-04T05:12:33Z")
> **[Michael Moore, Roundhouse, London](https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2002/nov/13/comedy.artsfeatures)** > > Roundhouse, London Tom: In this interview, he says something very much like Eolbo said. I, too, want to say that I read an interview in which Moore made those remarks, but I have been unable to find it on the 'Net. ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/28 "2003-07-04T05:12:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*Alleged by whom? > > I would find this _prima facie_ evidence that Moore is stupider than I currently view him, but I have never encountered this, so Coulter retains her crown for absolute, blindingly partisan stupidity until some evidence shows up on Moore. \*\* I first read it in the Age, which is one of the big Melbourne papers but have seen the allegation elsewhere such as [here](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/14/153743.shtml) and it seems to be carried by many rightwing sites Ultimate source is attributed to a column in ‘The Independent’ which I wasnt able to find in quick search just now. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/29 "2003-07-04T05:20:34Z")
> [@](#): > > There’s no line harder for Americans to cross than September 11. But Moore steps across that one, too. “I’ve been reluctant to talk about it because it sounds harsh,” he says. But reluctance is not in Moore’s DNA. He says the kind of people who fly on airlines are people who believe that when there’s a mess, someone else will always clean it up. So they let the hijackers capture the planes armed only with knives. “But do you think that if there had been 90 African Americans passengers they’d have just sat there? Or 90 coal miners? Or 90 skinheads?” Moore was making a statement about social class not race. He may even have a point. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/30 "2003-07-04T05:23:30Z")
Although identified as satire, it’s alleged [here](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30367). Although I’m still uncertain how I feel – we’re basically comparing: a) calling your group cowards, (and then saying it’s an awareness-enhancing joke) _[Moore]_ ``` with ``` b) calling your group traitors and asserting it’s God’s truth (while probably _thinking_ it’s an awareness-enhancing joke) – implying you can’t _take_ a joke. _[Coulter]_ (Both while pushing a wheelbarrow to the bank). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*Alleged by whom? > > I would find this _prima facie_ evidence that Moore is stupider than I currently view him, but I have never encountered this, so Coulter retains her crown for absolute, blindingly partisan stupidity until some evidence shows up on Moore. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/31 "2003-07-04T05:28:01Z")
There is another difference as well. Idiot that he may be I think Moore’s heart is in the right place whereas Coulter doesnt have one and is just a mean rabid bitch. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/32 "2003-07-04T05:32:25Z")
**Eolbo** , you may be right about Moore’s heart, but I’m not sure he’s any less rabid about the right than Coulter is about the left. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eolbo \* > \*\*There is another difference as well. Idiot that he may be I think Moore’s heart is in the right place whereas Coulter doesnt have one and is just a mean rabid bitch. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/33 "2003-07-04T07:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > \*\*The mind boggles that a single person buys this woman’s books. I guess she’s the right’s equivalent of Michael Moore. Too bad both seem to be going beyond their alloted 15 minutes of fame. \*\* When has Coulter ever said anything funny? ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Major\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Major_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/34 "2003-07-04T08:06:47Z")
> [@](#): > > When has Coulter ever said anything funny? Every time she opens her mouth? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/35 "2003-07-04T18:02:58Z")
Well, THIS card carrying lefty pinko commie thinks that Moore is a jackass. BUT, I would hesitate to consider Newsmax a reliable source. ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/36 "2003-07-04T21:43:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Zoidberg \* > \*\*Coulter does seem to be burning through her shock value rather quickly of late. Pretty soon she’ll have to come out topless and bite the head off a live liberal on the set to get any attention. 🙂 \*\* Amazon’s got her at #2 behind Harry Potter. Any volunteers? ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/37 "2003-07-04T21:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*What did Eisenhower have to do with his downfall? I thought he just overreached himself when the other Senator gave the “Have you no shame?” speech. > > Regards, > Shodan \*\* Somehow this post, **Shodan** , explains much of your political thought posted here. Your understanding is based of misinformation. The “at long last, Senator, at long last have you have no shame,” line was from the mouth of an elderly Boston lawyer who was representing the Army in the McCarthy-Army hearings in, I think, 1954 or 1956. The proceeding were televised and had a huge audience. It was McCarthy’s claim that the Defense department was crawling with Communists and Soviet agents. As I recall about the only information he ever came up with to support his claim was that some drafted dentist who had belonged to a “communist front” organization in college had received a routine one grade promotion from Captain to Major on discharge. In the middle of the hearings, which were not going well for Tail Gunner Joe, McCarthy decided to go after the law firm that was representing the Army by claiming that the law firm was crawling with Pinko Fellow Travelers because on of the young lawyers in the firm had belonged to a communist front organization. The lawyer, whose name was Welch, proceeded to expose before the whole nation the extent of Senator McCarthy’s ruthlessness, recklessness and dishonesty. It was a turning point more important than the Edward R. Murrow broadcast and probably weakened McCarthy sufficiently that President Eisenhower thought it politically safe to take him on. The whole thing was enough to give my father, a strong McCarthy supporter who say a Commie lurking behind every tree, a bad case of the jitters. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/38 "2003-07-05T06:15:47Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Spavined Gelding \* > \*\* > The “at long last, Senator, at long last have you have no shame,” line was from the mouth of an elderly Boston lawyer who was representing the Army in the McCarthy-Army hearings in, I think, 1954 or 1956._\* 1. In more detail, here’s what happened. Two staffers of Sen. McCarthy, Roy Cohn and Joseph Schine, had gone to Europe to investigate Radio Free Europe and US funded libraries for communist books, I believe. In the middle of the trip, Schine got his draft notice, and Cohn started pestering the army to give Schine a deferrment. This, of course, got the army’s back up, and they resisted. McCarthy then started investigating the army. Finally, after he and the Army had been shouting at each other for a while, both sides agreed to hearings to sort out exactly who did what. Now, during the hearings, it had come to McCarthy’s attention that one of Welch’s associates had been a member of a Communist front group during the 40’s. When Welch (the army’s lawyer) was questioning Roy Cohn, he was pretty hard on him, and ended the questioning by making a pretty thinly veiled reference to Cohn’s sexuality. This upset McCarthy, who thought that he and Welch had an understanding…Welch doesn’t mention Cohn’s homosexuality, and McCarthy doesn’t mention Welch’s associate’s communist ties. So, McCarthy brought it up, and Welch made his famous answer. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/39 "2003-07-05T06:29:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Read\_Neck \* > \*\*Amazon’s got her at #2 behind Harry Potter. Any volunteers? \*\* Amazon is not a best seller list. The NY Times Best Seller list has Coulter getting crushed by Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Milum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Milum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milum)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975/40 "2003-07-05T17:51:19Z")
**The NY Times Best Seller list has Coulter getting crushed by Hillary Clinton.** Ah Ha! Just as I thought! You love your Bitch more than we love ours. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-and-whittaker-chambers/185975.md?page=3)