# Ann Coulter is at it again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386 "2002-03-21T19:38:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/141 "2002-03-26T04:22:02Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s not what I’m saying. I’m not saying they’re wrong; I’m saying that I’m not convinced. So you think they’re right, but you still won’t change your mind?! Astounding! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/142 "2002-03-26T04:24:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\* > No, you didn’t. \*\* Yes I did. And I want a refund, this is not an argument. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/143 "2002-03-26T05:12:01Z")
Well, this one seems to have run its usefullness. So, lets play **Who’s quote is this?** > [@](#): > > Given the previous post devoted (if that’s the word) to you here in the pit over your endless, dreary pettifogging posting habits I can’t help but view your latest lesson in denial as anal. Some people lose the forest for all those trees; you seem can’t seem to focus beyond toothpicks. People can understand you just fine and still disagree. Assuming ignorance on their part–and pedantic superiority for yourself–was arrogant, not to mention begging for a renewal of hostilities. On your mark, get set, go! You only have 30 seconds. I got a million of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/144 "2002-03-26T05:38:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > Yes I did. Do you have a cite for that? > [@](#): > > And I want a refund, That does not follow. > [@](#): > > this is not an argument. I choose to call it a jelly donut because it’s squishy inside. Do not dictate my vocabulary. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/145 "2002-03-26T05:46:01Z")
Oh now you’re just pretending being contrary with no content is a debate! This is neither argument nor debate. I paid for an argument. ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/146 "2002-03-26T05:54:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > Oh now you’re just pretending being contrary with no content is a debate! Why would you say I’m being contrary? I never said that there would be content. The filling is grape. > [@](#): > > This is neither argument nor debate. I didn’t say it was. I said it was a jelly donut. I didn’t say they tasted good. > [@](#): > > I paid for an argument. You have to provide a cite. Bagels could be called donuts. I didn’t say anything about elephant ears. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/147 "2002-03-26T05:59:58Z")
Oh this isn’t any good, this is most certainly not an argument, this is mindless nit-picking! I paid for an argument, dammit. I want to see a manager for a refund. ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/148 "2002-03-26T06:07:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > Oh this isn’t any good, I told you I didn’t say they were good! > [@](#): > > this is most certainly not an argument I didn’t say it was! > [@](#): > > this is mindless nit-picking! How can you say nits don’t have minds? I’m sure they do. > [@](#): > > I paid for an argument, dammit. No data has been presented that opposed my view. I am not a beaver! > [@](#): > > I want to see a manager for a refund. No data has been presented to support that view. I am not the IRS! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/149 "2002-03-26T18:10:12Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by The Ryan_ > > A cite attempting to prove someone wrong should include, at the very least: a reference to what claim it is opposing, a statement of what claim it is supporting, an explanation of how it does so, a quote of the most important parts, and clear directions to find the full text. Has there been a single such cite? OMG, I know I’m a fool, but I can’t help myself. **The Ryan** , I have just one last question for you… **ARE YOU ON DRUGS???** Because if you are, that would certainly explain a whoooole lot! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > > \*\*this is not an argument. \*\* Is so. ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/150 "2002-03-26T20:03:13Z")
Shayna NO! You mustn’t! Please for your own sake…throw open the doors and run! Be free…out there…amongst the birdies and trees and the…things… You’ve fought the good fight for so long and now…you must let it go. Let The Ryan stay here and talk to the argument clinic guys. You have earned a rest… Ahhhhhh…there, see? Peeeeeeaceful… ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/151 "2002-03-26T20:29:20Z")
I am going to assume that those of you who read and comprehended my previous post to **The Ryan** now understand why I am not going to dignify his post any more than I do right now. **Ryan** , if you STILL don’t understand, let me put it to you this way: no cite from you. No response from me. Dig? He’ll probably shrug this off, as is his wont, but really I think I was one of the more reasonable people in this “debate” and exhibited a good amount of patience. All I asked for was a cite. I see none in your most recent post, **The Ryan** , nor do I see clarification on what you want a cite for (hell, I’ll take a cite on “1+1=2” right now, because it would be THE FIRST FUCKING CITE YOU’VE GIVEN!). And **The Ryan** , seeing as you have not yet provided a cite for anything, you have not a single fucking reason to complain about any cite anyone else finds. Unless and until you provide a cite, shaddap. I take my leave of you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/152 "2002-03-27T03:16:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > So you think they’re right, but you still won’t change your mind?! Astounding! Am I the only one who understands English here? I didn’t say that I think that they’re right; I said that I not saying they’re wrong. Are “I agree with you totally” and “I am sure you’re wrong” really the only the only two positions you can imagine? Is the idea that someone might not be totally convinced either way beyond your comprehension? iamapunha: You want a cite? Can you be more specific? Because I have plenty of cites, but I have a feeling that you’re going to dismiss them as “not what you meant” even though you haven’t told me what you want. For instance, the term “homosexual conduct” is used by people other than me as something seperate from homosexual orientation: > [@](#): > > The DoD policy also provides, however, that sexual orientation is a personal and private matter that is not a bar to military service unless manifested by homosexual conduct. Also, people other than me refer to a single act as constituting homosexual conduct: > [@](#): > > Commanders may initiate an investigation only upon receipt of credible information that a service member has engaged in homosexual conduct, i.e., stated his or her homosexuality, committed a homosexual act, or entered into a homosexual marriage. Both of these quotes are from [http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/rpt040798.html](http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/rpt040798.html) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/153 "2002-03-27T03:24:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > nor do I see clarification on what you want a cite for > \*\* I placed my request for an example of a cite proving me wrong right after quoting you saying: > [@](#): > > We’ve debated with you, pointed out where (we felt) you were wrong, put up cites to back up what we said. I think that’s it’s pretty obvious that I’m looking for a cite that I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/154 "2002-03-27T03:40:27Z")
> [@](#): > > I think that’s it’s pretty obvious that I’m looking for a cite that I’m wrong . Let’s review here. [Posters]Here is a cite/site that says you’re wrong.[/posters] [TheRyan]I don’t choose to accept the viewpoint of that cite/site[/TheRyan] What’s the F-ing point of continued dialogue? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/155 "2002-03-27T05:05:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by neofishboy \* > \*\*Shayna NO! You mustn’t! Please for your own sake…throw open the doors and run! Be free…out there…amongst the birdies and trees and the…things… > > You’ve fought the good fight for so long and now…you must let it go. Let The Ryan stay here and talk to the argument clinic guys. You have earned a rest… > > Ahhhhhh…there, see? Peeeeeeaceful… \*\* \ Ahhhhhh, yes. Thank you, **neofishboy**. Sometimes I need to be slapped upside the head with a wet trout. 🙂 I feel much better now, though. And welcome to the Straight Dope! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/156 "2002-03-27T07:30:24Z")
**The Ryan** : This is some kind of Turing test, isn’t it? Admit it: you’re not actually human, you’re some MIT undergrad’s simulated intelligence term project, right? Because no human I’ve ever met has such an idiosyncratic and adamantly inflexible grasp of language as you’ve shown here. I’m right, aren’t I? Do I get some sort of prize for spotting the computer, or do I have to content myself with helping in the advancement of science? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/157 "2002-03-27T17:22:03Z")
Ah, I see **TheRyan** ’s logic here. So let me apply it: Although it is improper to call any person an asshole, one can logically assume, based on his system of description, that any person who has ever engaged in assholish conduct is, ipso facto, an asshole. Now, the question arises, has anyone in this thread engaged in assholish conduct? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/158 "2002-03-27T17:52:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\*Ah, I see **TheRyan** ’s logic here. > > So let me apply it: > > Although it is improper to call any person an asshole, one can logically assume, based on his system of description, that any person who has ever engaged in assholish conduct is, ipso facto, an asshole. > > Now, the question arises, has anyone in this thread engaged in assholish conduct? \*\* :eek: :: cleans glasses, looks again :: :eek: :eek: Yep, that _was_ **Polycarp**. gads **TheRyan** you got **Polycarp** to this level. I don’t recall it ever before. That’d be like getting **my mom** to say the ‘f’ word (clue, it never happened). Hopefully, that, and the thread you started in GD and got moved here **should** give you some clue. I wonder - do you act this way in person? : waiter : What can I get for you today sir? : **TheRyan** your question presupposes several options, none of which have been currently clarified. In addition, I find the use of the word ‘today’ to be ambigous, since unless we’ve agreed to an exisiting time frame and time zone, the term has no specific meaning, only a relative one and relative to what? Furthermore, I suggest that you keep mentions of my relatives to a minimum since I’ve not introduced them to you. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/159 "2002-03-27T18:20:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > Now, the question arises, has anyone in this thread engaged in assholish conduct? Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! I know this one! ::waves hand around wildly like a child who just … can’t … hold … it … in … much … longer:: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386/160 "2002-03-28T00:29:41Z")
Shayna, you posted some quotes. I politely asked you to clarify them. You ignored that request, and instead said that I considered homosexuality to be immoral. I politetly corrected you. You didn’t apolgize for putting words in my mouth, or even acknowledge your mistake. Instead you flamed me for not accepting that you had proved my position wrong, even though **you clearly don’t even know what my position is**. Perhaps it is not **my** sanity that you should be questioning. Polycarp: > [@](#): > > Although it is improper to call any person an asshole, one can logically assume, based on his system of description, that any person who has ever engaged in assholish conduct is, ipso facto, an asshole. What are you talking about? I have never said that anyone who engages in assholish conduct is ipso facto an asshole. Perhaps you have hallucinated a passage in which I claimed that everyone who engages in homosexual conduct is a homosexual, even though I have made it quite clear that I do not believe that. iamapunha: You made up this ridiculous requirement that I must provide you with a cite before you deign to respond to me, and have indulged you in this. Yet you have not provided any example of a cite that proves me wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-at-it-again/99386.md?page=9)