# Ann Coulter is going to blow the lid off evolution... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2006, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712 "2006-04-29T05:34:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/21 "2006-04-29T20:00:43Z")
I have to admit that I’m surprised that she would sink this low. I can’t believe that she isn’t smart enough to know the difference between real science and psuedo-science like ID. But then, she has claimed that virtually all Democratic politicians have commited treason, and she has to know that’s bunk, too. The sad part is, most people aren’t smart enough to refute the ID folks. Evolution by natural selection is poorly understood by the general populace, and a majority of Americans think humans are an act of special creation. I have a lot of pretty well educated friends, but I’m hard pressed to think of any who could win a debate against one of the ID proponents. > [@Leaper](#): > > ``` > Frankly, I think this'll be the beginning of the end for her career. There are a great many conservatives who look down on Intelligent Design as it is, not to mention the many who, by my reading, have already ceased to take her seriously. > > ``` I dunno. I think those people will have already lost interest in her since she has promoted so many falsehoods in the past. > [@](#): > > After this book, I predict that she’ll follow the Rush Limbaugh path from popularity and copious media attention to general obscurity. I don’t listen to Rush, but I was under the impression that he was as popular as ever. Is he not? ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/22 "2006-04-29T20:23:12Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > After this book, I predict that she’ll follow the Rush Limbaugh path from popularity and copious media attention to general obscurity. I’d say the most likely route is that of Westbrook Pegler: There will come a time when she loses her distributer, and she’ll be immediately forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/23 "2006-04-29T20:31:27Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > The sad part is, most people aren’t smart enough to refute the ID folks. I think it’s more a matter of knowledge than intelligence. The concepts aren’t especially difficult to grasp, and a bit of textbook reading about the mechanics should help any reasonably intelligent person up to speed. The schools don’t focus on evolution at more than a superficial level, at least before college level, and the volume of competing propaganda is stunning. Personally, I think courses on critical thinking might help even more than courses on evolution, when it comes to refuting ID fans. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/24 "2006-04-29T20:47:12Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > I think it’s more a matter of knowledge than intelligence. The concepts aren’t especially difficult to grasp, and a bit of textbook reading about the mechanics should help any reasonably intelligent person up to speed. The schools don’t focus on evolution at more than a superficial level, at least before college level, and the volume of competing propaganda is stunning. You’re right. I was sloppy in my word choice. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/25 "2006-04-29T20:53:14Z")
Clutching Roe v. Wade? What an utterly shitty legal decision that was. Had almost no basis in law and even Lawrence Tribe had to swallow first before trying to defend it (the factual issues aside, it was a terrible fucking legal decision). Anyhoo…why would Coulter go near this? Does she even have an inkling of a scientific background? Is her entire market now looney Christians? ---
**Author:** ![Mayo\_Speaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mayo\_Speaks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayo_Speaks)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/26 "2006-04-29T21:36:31Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Really, is there anyone who still takes AC seriously? 😉 Yeah, I know…there are still folks who think the world is flat too, so its no stretch that SOMEONE takes her seriously. > > It should be funny to see her ‘blow the lid off evolution’…worth a few laughs at any rate. > > -XT AC? Do you mean [these guys](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_Cunt)? (PROBABLY NOT WORK SAFE) She’d fit right in! ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/27 "2006-04-29T21:37:43Z")
This makes me wonder about some demographics. I think it’s fair to say that there is a correlation between conservatism and certain brands of Christianity. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that there’s a correlation between atheism (or even simple impiety) and liberalism. While some radical leftist movements are associated with atheism (Marxism being the most apparent), other liberal movements have a church providing logistical and philosophical backing (the Catholic Worker movement and the civil rights movement being the most apparent). And then there’s a question of what makes a liberal. If I’m stridently pro-life and against gay marriage, yet anti-death penalty, anti-war, and support an economic policy to the left of Sweden’s, what does that make me? I suspect that could describe quite a few very devout Catholics. I agree with John Mace and others above. There’s a lot of evolution-accepting conservatives who are going to be put off by this. Then again, I suspect most of Coulter’s fans read her because they know she pisses off liberals, not because they agree with her per se. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/28 "2006-04-29T22:00:24Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Frankly, I think this’ll be the beginning of the end for her career. There are a great many conservatives who look down on Intelligent Design as it is, not to mention the many who, by my reading, have already ceased to take her seriously. After this book, I predict that she’ll follow the Rush Limbaugh path from popularity and copious media attention to general obscurity. Sadly, I don’t think that’s true. The reason Rush has lost his luster is that even bigger and louder jackasses have out brayed him. Coulter, Savage, etc. There are a lot of people who eat Ann’s shit up. If they are not the majority, they’re at least a big minority. There are plenty of people who think the question “if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?” is intelligent. ---
**Author:** ![JustAnotherGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@JustAnotherGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustAnotherGeek)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/29 "2006-04-29T22:01:30Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Really, is there anyone who still takes AC seriously? Yeah, there are. Folks like my sister-in-law. SIL is a very nice, hardworking person who cannot see past her own little world. Not dumb, by any means, just… near-sighted when it comes to world views. e.g. This year, I am a grad student (taking the year off from teaching to finish my degree. When I drove out to help SIL and brother and 6 m/o nephew move in to their new gi-friggin-normous house in Joisy, I was commenting on how hard it is for me to find a shirt that fits. (If they fit my trunk, the arms are too short and the neck too small; if they fit my arms and neck, they’re a tent.) Her response: “Just get them tailored.” She coulda bin Marie Antoinette. (Luckily, I just had to look at my brother and he responded, “heh, she doesn’t quite live on your budget.”) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/30 "2006-04-29T22:06:41Z")
> [@JustAnotherGeek](#): > > e.g. This year, I am a grad student (taking the year off from teaching to finish my degree. When I drove out to help SIL and brother and 6 m/o nephew move in to their new gi-friggin-normous house in Joisy, I was commenting on how hard it is for me to find a shirt that fits. (If they fit my trunk, the arms are too short and the neck too small; if they fit my arms and neck, they’re a tent.) Her response: “Just get them tailored.” She coulda bin Marie Antoinette. If you’re really interested, you can get some pretty inexpensive, but still good quality fitted shirts at places that will take your measuremnts and then have a tailor in Southeast Asia or somewhere make shirts for you. I have a similar problem as you and that’s what I do. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/31 "2006-04-29T22:44:13Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Really, is there anyone who still takes AC seriously? 😉 Hey, there are still folks who believe Saddam had massive stockpiles of WMDs and the invasion of Iraq was all perfectly justified, so obviously some people will believe _anything._ (And I’d argue that Ann Coulter is Exhibit #1 against Intelligent Design, as I can’t imagine anything vaguely intelligent designing anyone like her…) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/32 "2006-04-29T22:51:47Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I noticed in checking out one of the “bottom of the page ads” that her new book is due out in June and will sell for $28. But if you act now, you can get it for $4.99! I know I’m going to hurry. OTOH, if you act later you can get it for $1.99 in the clearance bin. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/33 "2006-04-29T23:12:53Z")
You think this is going to be explosive? Coulter’s just getting started. Her next book’s going to expose that filthy little lying left-wing atheist Copernicus’ insidious plot to convince people that the sun doesn’t revolve around the Earth. (Yeah, he was an atheist. The lie that he was a priest is just more liberal propaganda.) After that, she’ll tackle that long-standing left-wing conspiracy about the Earth being round. (BTW, are you sure this isn’t a hoax of some sort? Because this is way out there even for Coulter.) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/34 "2006-04-29T23:23:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The upside to this, as far as there is one, is that it will just help us identify idiots. Nobody’s going to be convinced by this crap. Wanna bet? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/35 "2006-04-29T23:24:33Z")
When she gave a speech here at Indiana University, she got into an argument with some student during the question and answer thing and called him “gay boy.” I was not at the speech but it was in the newspaper the day afterwards and everyone was talking about it. Gay boy. I swear to God. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/36 "2006-04-29T23:29:54Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > When she gave a speech here at Indiana University, she got into an argument with some student during the question and answer thing and called him “gay boy.” > > I was not at the speech but it was in the newspaper the day afterwards and everyone was talking about it. Gay boy. I swear to God. That was an interesting event, but a totally unenlightening speech. I was hoping it’d be more like Horowitz’s speech and involve information and reason, but it was just insults designed to preach to the choir. The situation you’re referring to was after the guy she insulted asked her if she would be in favor of just banning all parties other than the republican party though. Some other gay guy got up and started shouting at her after she called him that, he was pissed. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/37 "2006-04-29T23:31:30Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > When she gave a speech here at Indiana University, she got into an argument with some student during the question and answer thing and called him “gay boy.” > > I was not at the speech but it was in the newspaper the day afterwards and everyone was talking about it. Gay boy. I swear to God. No surprise there. She’s got a vicious mean streak that run a mile deep. She makes her living off of deamonizing her political opponets. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/38 "2006-04-29T23:56:16Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I don’t listen to Rush, but I was under the impression that he was as popular as ever. Is he not? I’m afraid I don’t know either. I was speaking in more of a national, general culture influencing way. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/39 "2006-04-30T00:02:25Z")
I went to a speech by David Horowitz at the University of Illinois in Chicago. You may not agree with the man but he handled himself with class and dignity. Quite a good speaker as well. Not that I was ever inclined, but after reading this I will never go to hear Ann Coulter speak. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ann-coulter-is-going-to-blow-the-lid-off-evolution/354712/40 "2006-04-30T00:06:27Z")
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