# Anne Rice and the Vampire Chronicles **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 5, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767 "2003-01-05T12:15:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EhhMon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@EhhMon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EhhMon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/1 "2003-01-05T12:15:30Z")
You know I thought I read all of the Vampire Chronicles stuff by Anne Rice, but within the last 4 months or so I’ve been coming upon other books that belong to the series. Books I didn’t know exist until recently. Pandora and Vampire Armand are just two of them. I’ve already finshed Pandora and am about a 1/3 of the way into Vampire Armand. I’ll try and not to beat around the bush and get right to the point…Isn’t Vampire Armand the most gayest book ever?! I’ve been amazed at Anne Rice story telling and her imagination, in putting it altogether. I’ve read the Mummy, all of the Witch series and was amazed and loved every single one of them. Given that the Vampires series has slight gay theme, the books are still a great read. Not that Vampire Armand isn’t a great read, but its just soooooooooooooooo damn gay, it got me thinking (oh-uh). Is Anne Rice fronting for someone? Marius and Armand and all those boys, their relationship, what goes on outside of that relationship. I’m just so baffled that a woman could come up with something like this (no offense ladies)…I’m just stunned. Maybe I’m wrong, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, so I apologize if I do…but the book…is just soooooooooooo soooooooooooo gay. I can’t believe that Anne Rice is writing this particular one…say it ain’t so. Its got Nambla written all over the first 100 pages. I just can’t believe that she’s actually writing this one. This sounds like something that (don’t kill me ya’ll), a gay man would write. So I ask this question…is Anne Rice fronting her name for someone on this particular book. I’m starting to cast doubt that Anne Rice is truly the author of the Vampire Chronicles, maybe a collaboration of sorts…mabye. You think she’s taking credit for someone who wants to remain anonymous. Cause damn, Vampire Armand is the gayest of all her books, and if I hadn’t know that she was a female or what not, I would have thought it was a man writing the book. I asked my friend about it, and he said, that all the vampires in her books have homosexual tendencies…I told him if that were true we’d read about the women vampires doing the same thing, but NOT…its always the men vampires. I just finished reading Pandora and there was no hint of gayness in it at all (maybe I’m wrong), but I know that Pandora had no sexual attraction to other females. Some enlighten me… ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/2 "2003-01-05T12:19:46Z")
I don’t know about that… but after the first three in the Vampire Chronicles, they started to seriously suck. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/3 "2003-01-05T13:15:52Z")
I haven’t read that particular one, but they all seem fairly homo-erotic to me. Maybe it’s an outlet for Anne Rice’s erotic fantasies. Ditto **Opal** ’s comment. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/4 "2003-01-05T13:56:52Z")
I thought the same thing when I read the original 3, but then I realized that if I were to write a novel, I’d probably put a lot a girl-on-girl stuff in it, if I possibly could. So who am I to complain? ---
**Author:** ![Harli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c0e974/32.png) [@Harli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harli)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/5 "2003-01-05T16:24:23Z")
It is completely possible for a woman to write decent gay erotica, as Anne has brilliantly done. She has actually stated that she believes she thinks and writes more like a homosexual man than as a heterosexual woman. She has also said that her characters are almost as ghosts who whisper their words, thoughts, and stories into her ears, which she transposes into written word. I think Ms. Rice has an incredible talent for writing. And yes, _The Vampire Armand_ is a wonderfully homo-erotic novel. Is that problematic? And I suppose she could have, but doubt she needed to, gotten information from her homosexual son, however, something tells me a mother wouldn’t talk to her 20-something yr old son about that kind of stuff. I mourn the recent loss of her husband, and continue to read her gems. It is unfortunate that she has “sold out” in some ways, but no, I do not believe that she has someone else writing for her. Want me to write some decent homo-erotica to prove that a woman can do it? 😉 BTW, there are 9 novels in the Vampire Chronicles, and two in New Tales of the Vampires. ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/6 "2003-01-05T18:14:10Z")
I have a question…why did you read Pandora before Armand? Is not the order as follows: Interview with the Vampire The Vampire Lestat The Queen of the Damned Tale of the Body Thief The Vampire Armand _New VampChron_ Pandora Vittorio Blood and Gold (unattatched to VampChron) Or have I been drastically uninformed? ---
**Author:** ![effac3d](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@effac3d](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/effac3d)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/7 "2003-01-05T18:52:36Z")
FWIW,i have read anectdotes that the vast majority of writers of slash fiction and yaoi artists are women. I remember a amusing article where a gay man felt out of place at a yaoi con,among almost entirely women. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c0e974/32.png) [@Harli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harli)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/8 "2003-01-05T19:49:50Z")
_Blood and Gold_ _is_ actually part of the Vampire Chronicles. IWTV (Louis) Lestat (Lestat) QotD (Lestat) TotBD (Lestat) Memnoch (Lestat) Armand (Armand) Merrick (David Talbot) Blood & Gold (Marius) Blackwood Farm (not sure yet; to be read this month) Vampire Literature happens to be one of my minor obessions _sheepish grin_ ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/9 "2003-01-05T19:52:22Z")
:eek: I HAVE been misinformed! And I’ve been misinforming other… ::wahhh:: Thank you heaps, **Harli**!! ~Ferry, repenting ---
**Author:** ![Forbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Forbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forbin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/10 "2003-01-05T20:20:54Z")
Quick note to the OP (Original Poster{EhhMon, that’s you}) I noticed that in another thread you posted a link to some playboy photos. In this thread you are teetering on the threshold of using the word gay in an inappropriate way. Many of the posters here at the SDMB take a very dim view of the use of the word gay as a synonym for “bad”, “weak”, or “lame”. I know the Anne Rice books do have a certain amount of homosexual content, but your use of the word gay is bound to run afoul of many members. Try not to use it that way please. Linking to pornography is forbidden too, by the way. You might benefit by lurking a bit until you see how things are here. Reading up on the rules wouldn’t hurt either. Forbin ---
**Author:** ![lauramarlane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a5b964/32.png) [@lauramarlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lauramarlane)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/11 "2003-01-05T20:22:51Z")
I’ve just finished Blackwood Farm and was very impressed. It felt like Rice was getting back to the point of the tales after the diversions of those individual vampire books (which I was not very fond of.) So, if you haven’t picked up a copy of Blackwood Farm yet, I highly recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![Mephisto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@Mephisto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mephisto)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/12 "2003-01-05T20:28:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Harli \* > \*\*_Blood and Gold_ _is_ actually part of the Vampire Chronicles. > > IWTV (Louis) > Lestat (Lestat) > QotD (Lestat) > TotBD (Lestat) > Memnoch (Lestat) > Armand (Armand) > Merrick (David Talbot) > Blood & Gold (Marius) > Blackwood Farm (not sure yet; to be read this month) > > Vampire Literature happens to be one of my minor obessions _sheepish grin_ \*\* Shouldn’t _Pandora_ go in this list as well? Also, I understand _Blackwood Farm_ is going to be a “vampires meet the Mayfair witches” sort of deal. That’s what I gathered from reading the blurb. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/13 "2003-01-05T20:29:12Z")
Am I to understand that no one likes Memnoch the Devil?? I thought that was a very good book. As far as the Vampire Armand, I haven’t read all of it. I couldn’t to be honest; I had just finished reading the other books leading up to it and I was spent. I couldn’t force myself to sit through another book about the vampires. I will, however, be reading it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/14 "2003-01-05T21:04:04Z")
Ah, Memnoch. I liked it as well, though I can surely see why people would call it “Memnoch the paperweight.” It does get a bit dry, though I enjoyed it because it forced me to really think about my faith. I like books that make me think, and I wasn’t really expecting Anne Rice to do that. ~Ferry ---
**Author:** ![EhhMon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@EhhMon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EhhMon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/15 "2003-01-05T21:19:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Forbin \* > **Many of the posters here at the SDMB take a very dim view of the use of the word gay as a synonym for “bad”, “weak”, or “lame”.** Gee, first the word “Oriental” and now the word “gay”, I’m learning alot on this messageboard. Thanks for the warning Forbin. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Forbin_\*\* > Linking to pornography is forbidden too, by the way. > You might benefit by lurking a bit until you see how things are here. Reading up on the rules wouldn’t hurt either. > Forbin \*\* You’re right, I got momentarily lost in what I was posting…didn’t realize it until i read your post. My apologies! ---
**Author:** ![EhhMon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@EhhMon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EhhMon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/16 "2003-01-05T21:28:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Harli \* > \*\*_Blood and Gold_ _is_ actually part of the Vampire Chronicles. > > IWTV (Louis) > Lestat (Lestat) > QotD (Lestat) > TotBD (Lestat) > Memnoch (Lestat) > Armand (Armand) > Merrick (David Talbot) > Blood & Gold (Marius) > Blackwood Farm (not sure yet; to be read this month) > > Vampire Literature happens to be one of my minor obessions _sheepish grin_ \*\* “Ohhhhhh, Hells No”…I see I’ve been misinformed too…I’ve been reading the books out of order…and I didn’t even know about “Blood & Gold”, “Blackwood Farm”, “Vittoria”…guess I’m spent just like _ **Meatros** _, I’m gonna take a big break from the vampires stuff, whenever I can get thru with “Vampire Armand”. ---
**Author:** ![Forbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Forbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forbin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/17 "2003-01-05T21:31:14Z")
No sweat. FWIW I lurked here for a while. It makes me laugh a bit now, but I used to be a little scared to post. I had seen a few flame wars. I was thinking, _“YIKES! These folks don’t pull punches!”_ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Aglet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@Aglet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aglet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/18 "2003-01-05T21:38:39Z")
I liked _Memnoch_. I read _Interview with the Vampire, The Vampire Lestat, The Queen of the Damned, Tale of the Body Thief,_ and _Pandora_, but I think it was _The Vampire Armand_ that was the book I couldn’t (and had no desire to) get through, and I haven’t read an Ann Rice book since. I will pick up _Blackwood Farm_ on the recommendation of **lauramarlane** , and maybe try _Blood and Gold_. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/19 "2003-01-05T21:41:02Z")
I haven’t read The Vampire Armand, but I heard that it was offensive to a lot of people because of parts that could be defined as child pornography, i.e. a vampire giving oral sex to a young boy. Again, I haven’t read it, and I don’t know the age of the boy in question here (if he was a teenager it wouldn’t exactly be pedophilia, though still morally questionable), but it seems that the fact that it’s sex with someone that is underage is the problem, not that it’s gay sex. I have no problems with homosexual eroticism in literature (I enjoyed quite a bit from Poppy Z. Brite, for instance), but I have been put off from reading this novel because of what I heard about the sex with children. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767/20 "2003-01-05T23:30:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BuckleberryFerry \* > \*\*Ah, Memnoch. I liked it as well, though I can surely see why people would call it “Memnoch the paperweight.” It does get a bit dry, though I enjoyed it because it forced me to really think about my faith. I like books that make me think, and I wasn’t really expecting Anne Rice to do that. > > ~Ferry \*\* Yes it did run a tad long, but I liked it for pretty much the same reason you probably did. It made me think about my faith as well. I liked the “Satan” in that book, for me it made more sense than the evil torturing Satan. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anne-rice-and-the-vampire-chronicles/146767.md?page=2)