# Annie Coulter Does It Again! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 23, 2002, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343 "2002-09-23T21:13:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/41 "2002-09-25T07:13:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*At this point, I would automatically distrust almost anything Ann Coulter says. I’d look for the original sources for all those “just as bad” quotes before I take them as fact. \*\* They’re footnoted, so you have the ability to do that. Coulter critics have definitedly found some questionable statistical conclusions. E.g., see the archives of [www.DailyHowler.com](http://www.DailyHowler.com). However, nobody has refuted her many striking quotes, fom liberals and from media people. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/42 "2002-09-25T07:25:28Z")
I’m not necessarily saying she’s lying; it’d be hard for my estimation of politicians to sink any lower, so I wouldn’t be surprised if her quotes were accurate. Nor would it surprise me to learn that Coulter manufactured both quotes and footnotes out of whole cloth. The woman has zero credibility at this point, which I guess means she’s qualified to run for Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/43 "2002-09-25T07:44:47Z")
_walks into standard looking Dem v Rep rant_ _reads post, finds December making relevant cites and convincing points against both Democrat and Republican stupidity_ _walks out, smiling_ ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/44 "2002-09-25T12:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > To get a fair understanding of what [Limbaugh] does, one should listen to the entire show for a few days. I have. The idiocy is palpable, but what else are you going to do when you’re stuck in your father’s car for a road trip through AM-radio country? First Dr. Laura, then Limbaugh, then Clark Whatsisname, the Consumer Warrior. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/45 "2002-09-25T13:11:19Z")
:eek: Time to get down on my knees and thank G-O-D for the C-B-C. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Gui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@El\_Gui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Gui)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2002, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/46 "2002-09-27T03:56:45Z")
Here are portions of one of the silicone viper’s recent columns: “[L]iberals never reciprocate the love conservatives keep sending their way.” “[Liberals] are wrong about \*everything[/] [emphasis mine].” She ends her diatribe with the following description of the Kennedy family: “This is as we have come to expect from a family of heroin addicts, statutory rapists, convicted and unconvicted female-killers, cheaters, bootleggers and dissolute drunks known as “Camelot.” > **[Ann Coulter: Biography and Latest Articles - Ann Coulter](https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/)** > > Ann Coulter is the author of seven New York Times bestsellers -- Guilty: Liberal Victim and Their Assault On America (January 2009); If Democrats Has Any Brains,They'd Be Republicans (October 2007); Godless: The Church of Liberalism (June 2006); How... Ahh, can’t you feel the love? ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2002, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/47 "2002-09-27T04:50:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*I have. The idiocy is palpable, but what else are you going to do when you’re stuck in your father’s car for a road trip through AM-radio country? First Dr. Laura, then Limbaugh, then Clark Whatsisname, the Consumer Warrior. \*\* See, just goes to show you weren’t paying attention. In the hinterlands, Rush and Laura are both almost always played live, which means it is Rush and then Dr. Laura. Clark Howard never seems to be live so you can frequently catch him on tape at any hour of the day (it is similar with Dr. Dean Edell). I done many, many road trips and listen to almost anything that isn’t music. Only Mike Savage will make me turn off the radio until I am in range of something else. Bill O’Reilly seems to be taking over many of Dr. Laura’s live slots, though. Interestingly, when I was road tripping through BC last month, O’Reilly was the radio talk show I could most consistently get. (Well, that and CBC, but I was too afraid of falling asleep and driving into a tree to listen to that for long.) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Gui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@El\_Gui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Gui)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2002, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/48 "2002-09-27T05:04:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*At least, Coulter called for the death and religious conversion of murderers of Americans. > \*\* So December, would these murderers of Americans be liberals? > [@](#): > > “We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too.” [http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/bookman/2002/021402.html](http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/bookman/2002/021402.html) Or the staff of the New York Times? > [@](#): > > “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.” [http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/frontpage5.asp](http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/frontpage5.asp) And then you actually claim that a book on Hillary Clinton titled “Hell To Pay” by Barbara Olsen is low-key??? Give me a freakin’ break! And finally, > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*conservative books get demonized, even when they’re low key and accurate. Two examples are David Brock’s The Real Anita Hill and Unlimited Access, by Gary Aldrich. (By the way, I’m well aware that Brock has switched allegences, but anyone who reads his book and the book’s critics will realize how well it stands up.) > \*\* Are you really that dense? (Quick December, which newspaper gave glowing reviews to both Brock’s “The Real Anita Hill” and Coulter’s “Slander”? - Why, that bastion of liberalism, The New York Times!) And as for Brock “switching allegences”, it’s not as if he switched from Pepsi to Coke; he completely repudiates his Anita Hill book and admits in his latest tome, “Blinded By The Right”, that he never bother to talk to a single Anita Hill supporter and relied solely on the rumors and lies provided to him by Thomas supporters, yet you still claim his book was “accurate”??? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2002, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/49 "2002-09-28T03:25:43Z")
**december** , one thing about Ann Coulter is at least she doesn’t pretend to be civil. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Magic8ball](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Miss\_Magic8ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Magic8ball)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/50 "2002-09-28T03:57:39Z")
Excuse my ignorance, but who exactly is Annie Coulter? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2002, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/51 "2002-09-28T06:35:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > **…To get a fair understanding of what he does, one should listen to the entire show for a few days…** I tried this. I listened to him for a couple of weeks several years ago. I found myself literally yelling at the radio things like: “That’s apples and oranges” “You’re lumping together completely different groups” “Sure, you find the one or two lone scientists whose viewpoints mesh with your politics and ignore all the rest” “That’s the most ridiculous analogy I’ve ever heard” “Can you say intellectually dishonest?” “You can’t possbly be that stupid and still have a radio show” I finally decided that it made no sense to listen to someone who taught me nothing, angered me, and possibly caused me to frighten other drivers, so I stopped listening. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2002, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/52 "2002-09-28T12:09:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El Gui \*So December, would these murderers of Americans be liberals? Here’s the [actual quote in context](http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter091301.shtml): > [@](#): > > The airport kabuki theater of magnetometers, asinine questions about whether passengers “packed their own bags,” and the hostile, lumpen mesomorphs ripping open our luggage somehow allowed over a dozen armed hijackers to board four American planes almost simultaneously on Bloody Tuesday. (Did those fabulous security procedures stop a single hijacker anyplace in America that day?) > > Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. > > We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war. **El Gui** , I tend to agree with your criticism of her statement about executing Walker to “intimidate liberals.” She seems to be saying that liberals need to be intimidated so they won’t commit treason. I don’t interpret her statement as a demand to kill liberals, but implying that they’re apt to commit treason is hitting below the belt. > [@](#): > > [Brock] completely repudiates his Anita Hill book and admits in his latest tome, “Blinded By The Right”, that he never bother to talk to a single Anita Hill supporter and relied solely on the rumors and lies provided to him by Thomas supporters, yet you still claim his book was “accurate”??? Yep. Here’s why. Two of Brock’s biggest critics were Jill Abramson and Jane Meyer. They wrote a book giving their own version of the Anita Hill hearings (_Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas_.) They also wrote a scathing indictment of _The Real Anita Hill_ in IIRC _The New York Review of Books._. Brock wrote a scathing indictment of their book in a conservative magazine, _the American Spectator._ I read both books and both articles. Brock easily found dozens of errors in the Meyer/Abramson book. OTOH they didn’t lay a glove on him. Despite lots of adjectives, the only error they found was an incorrect location of some perirpheral individual. She was in a different city than he wrote when she made some public statement. Abramson and Meyer are top-notch journalists. I believe they’ve both written for the Wall Street Journal and Meyer now writes for the New Yorker. The fact that these two top critics found only that one trivial error speaks very well for the book. Incidentally, I haven’t read _Blinded by the Right_, and I don’t intend to. Perhaps someone who has read it can tell us whether it identifies specific false statements in _The Real Anita Hill_. If it does, I’d be more inclined to believe that Brock was actually lying in his earlier book. **El Gui** , I suggest you get a hold of these two books and these two articles and make up your own mind. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2002, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/53 "2002-09-28T23:24:43Z")
Sorry December, Brock totally repudiates his criticisms of Meyer & Abramson in Blinded by the Right and admits his past book The Real Anita Hill was a total distortion. The really think you should read BBTR you may never look at the conservative establishment in the same way again. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/54 "2002-09-29T04:38:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Icerigger \* > \*\*Sorry December, Brock totally repudiates his criticisms of Meyer & Abramson in Blinded by the Right and admits his past book The Real Anita Hill was a total distortion. The really think you should read BBTR you may never look at the conservative establishment in the same way again. \*\* Facts are facts. Did his repudiation of his criticisms of M & A include all the specific errors he pointed out in the American Spectator? Does it list all the hidden errors in TRAH? Otherwise, who cares? ISTM that Brock’s conversion was done in a way that destroyed his reputation forever. Either he was writing vicious, mean-spirited lies for 20 years, and finally stopped. If so, why did he do that? It’s not as if the American Spetator paid well or had high prestige. Alternatively, BBTR is filled with mean-spirited, vicious lies. Either way, he’s obviously untrustworthy. If he lists checkable facts in BBTR, that would be of interest to me. However, based on the reviews I’ve read, the book didn’t do that. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/55 "2002-09-29T09:48:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by magic8ball \* > \*\*Excuse my ignorance, but who exactly is Annie Coulter? \*\* [www.anncoulter.org](http://www.anncoulter.org) I generally like her columns (among other things), but I am somewhat right-wing. Your mileage may vary. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/56 "2002-09-29T17:18:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > **Coulter’s off-the-wall comments like those posted on this thread are indefensible. However, many of the examples in her book are just as bad. E.g., It is not uncommon for liberals to publicly call for the death of conservatives, as Skid Row’s did above. At least, Coulter called for the death and religious conversion of murderers of Americans.** I don’t think it makes sense to bash liberal Americans as a whole because of the comments of a few – and that is exactly what Coulter does; however, it does make sense to bash Ann Coulter for the comments that she, herself, unrepentently makes. I can’t control self-described liberals and force them never to make asses of themselves. That doesn’t mean that I am wrong, or that liberals or all wrong, or that – for some ungodly reason – we liberals are all active supporters of Al-Qaida. (If we were, why didn’t Al-Qaida attack some conservative target? Was the WTC the bastion of social conservatism that we and our terrorist masters were targeting?) Ann Coulter is a buffoon that succeeds for the same reason that Marilyn Manson does – she’s a media whore with no shame. Stop paying attention to her and she’ll go away. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/57 "2002-09-29T18:59:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\* > > [www.anncoulter.org](http://www.anncoulter.org) > > I generally like her columns (among other things), but I am somewhat right-wing. Your mileage may vary. \*\* If you like Ann Coulter, I think you’re more than “somewhat” right wing. No offense, just pointing that out. **december** , if the guy is a lying weasel, (as you more or less implied), then why do you believe ANYTHING he wrote? ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/58 "2002-09-29T19:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \ ***december** , if the guy is a lying weasel, (as you more or less implied), then why do you believe ANYTHING he wrote? Fair question. I tend to believe that Brock was reliable when he was conservative, because people didn’t find errors in his work. Lord knows, he wrote a lot of controversial stuff, so people must have tried to refute it. As I mentioned, experts tried and failed to refute _The Real Anita Hill._ The silliest thing he said since changing stripes was to apologize for the Paula Jones business. His article in the American Spectator mentioned a potential scandal involving Clinton and someone named “Paula” back in Arkansas. That was the first public hint of this scandal. It was that article that motivated Paula Jones to file suit, she said. Yet, Brock has now gone back on that article, after events have confirmed it to the whole world. :rolleyes: In addition, I have read articles disputing various detail in _Blinded by the Left_. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343/59 "2002-09-29T21:35:52Z")
December, please read BBTR then make you comments. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-coulter-does-it-again/129343.md?page=2)