# Annie Proulx: Sore Loser, Stupid Bitch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550 "2006-03-16T01:37:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/1 "2006-03-16T01:37:16Z")
Annie Proulx, writer of the original short story “Brokeback Mountain,” has decided she’s not very happy with it not winning the Best Picture Oscar: [http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/15/film.proulx.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/15/film.proulx.ap/index.html) According to Proulx, everyone was stupid and evil not to give the Oscar to the movie based on her short story. She goes on to say: > [@](#): > > She decries the “atmosphere of insufferable self-importance” inside the Kodak Theatre, the Oscars site, and describes the audience as a “somewhat dim LA crowd.” The show, she writes, was “reminiscent of a small-town talent-show night.” Dear Stupid Bitch: If you don’t like the Oscars, why are you so fucking upset your movie didn’t win one particular Oscar? Here’s a newsflash, you dumbass; NOBODY DESERVES AS OSCAR. It’s a fucking gift, you shitwitted fuckstacker. Even if you think one movie is better than another, it’s still not fucking entited to any awards. Christ, you’re stupid. If it’s so fucking important to you then rejoice in the fact “Brokeback Mountain” won three Oscars. If it’s not, then shut the big hole in the middle of your face, because the noise coming out of it is bothersome. Get bent. Regards, Rick ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/2 "2006-03-16T02:29:20Z")
I can dig it. Snappy and I could iron to it. 7.75 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/3 "2006-03-16T02:36:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s a fucking gift, you shitwitted fuckstacker. > > Get bent. I’m not in the habit of commenting on the quality of a rant but I think “_fuckwitted shitstacker_” would have been much more sonorous and not without a certain visual appeal. Some things should just be left un-transposed. However, “_Get bent_” is always satisfyingly succinct. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/4 "2006-03-16T02:48:17Z")
Annie Proulx is a god-awful writer, as you can see: > [@overrated hack](#): > > Academy members who vote for the year’s best film are "out of touch not only with the shifting larger culture and the yeasty ferment that is America these days, but also out of touch with their own segregated city. “Yeasty ferment that is America?” What the fuck is that? Never mind, I don’t want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/5 "2006-03-16T02:52:29Z")
Well, she’s completely right about the Oscars, of course, but her words would sting more if it came from someone with no pony on the track. Still, I can’t get worked up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/6 "2006-03-16T02:53:43Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Annie Proulx is a god-awful writer, as you can see: > > “Yeasty ferment that is America?” What the fuck is that? Never mind, I don’t want to know. That’s her writing style. String a bunch of random words together and let the pseudo-intellectuals think she’s poetic. - a guy who read The Shipping News ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/7 "2006-03-16T02:53:54Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Annie Proulx is a god-awful writer, as you can see: > > “Yeasty ferment that is America?” What the fuck is that? Never mind, I don’t want to know. Maybe she brews beer on the side??? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/8 "2006-03-16T03:09:19Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > “Yeasty ferment that is America?” What the fuck is that? Never mind, I don’t want to know. Actually, “yeasty ferment” is a pretty well-established cliche, especially in literature, for anything particularly creative. This is due to the observable fact that writerly folks are boozy bastards. From Omar Khayyam to James Joyce, onwards through Malcolm Lowry and Bukowski, scribblers agree, there’s a clear analogy between intoxicating spirits and creative inspirition. I mean, hell, why do you think they call it _culture?_ Gutenberg’s letterpress was made by setting movable type into pre-existing machinery designed to press grapes, for God’s sake. That being said, it’s a poor analogy. Any hack can get the pot boiling with someone else’s yeast. True creative genius is a _zymogen_, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/9 "2006-03-16T03:11:55Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m not in the habit of commenting on the quality of a rant but I think “_fuckwitted shitstacker_” would have been much more sonorous and not without a certain visual appeal. Some things should just be left un-transposed. > > However, “_Get bent_” is always satisfyingly succinct. Reminds me of the movie [Way of the Gun](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0202677/): **Bar Patron:** Hey, hey. Yeah you, get up. What are you retarded? Get off the fucking car! **Raving Bitch:** Hey dickless, get off the fucking car! Hey fucksuck, get your slippery fucking ass of the car! Listen to me, get off the fucking car with your fucking ass! **Parker:** Shut that cunt’s mouth or I’ll come over there and fuckstart her head! **Raving Bitch:** You’re gonna wish you never fucking got up this fucking morning, asshole, because my boyfriend’s gonna fuck you up! And then, after that, when he’s fucking your gay uncle over there, I’m gonna fucking cut off your cock and mail it to your mother, you fucking faggot bitch! You Gaylord fucking bitch! How do you like that? You like that a lot, you fucking faggot? You like to ass fuck? Fontanella fucking babyheads! **Bar Patron:** Go ahead. **Raving Bitch:** You like to fuck babyheads? You like to fuck boys? He’s gonna fuck you in the ass…how do you like that? He’s not even gay, but he’ll do it just to fuck… **Bar Patron:** Honey, honey. She’s got a big mouth, but she’s not kidding. I’m gonna whip you silly and then I’m gonna fuck you stupid. You wanna do the man-dance? First dance is yours. ---
**Author:** ![Hodge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Hodge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hodge)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/10 "2006-03-16T03:20:28Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > “Yeasty ferment that is America?” What the fuck is that? Never mind, I don’t want to know. It’s not some type of infection is it? I’d hate to have that happen south of the border. Hodge (squicked out Canadian) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/11 "2006-03-16T03:28:30Z")
> [@Hodge](#): > > It’s not some type of infection is it? I’d hate to have that happen south of the border. Yeasty ferment is covered under the new Medicaid act. Be afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/12 "2006-03-16T03:47:15Z")
By the way, if you want to see someone really eviscerate overrated “literary” writers, [check this out.](http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200107/myers) Sometimes I think Myers is a little unfair–one can go through any writer’s work and pick out unfortunate passages–but I have to say when I read this essay I was practically standing on my feet and yelling “Preach it, brother! Preach it!” ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/13 "2006-03-16T04:06:19Z")
Page 8 of the current issue of [Newsweek](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11787403/site/newsweek/). > [@](#): > > Last week blogger Dave Cullen collected $26,000 from at least 600 people for an ad that ran in Friday’s Daily Variety. It subtly suggests that “Brokeback,” which was named best picture through “unprecedented consensus” in other awards circles, should have won the Oscar too. The group is now looking into placing similar ads in Entertainment Weekly or The New York Times. (A more negative campaign was considered and dropped, after the group feared it would look bitter.) You’d look bitter? Nah. Spend thousands on ads that are targeted at people that are likely thinking the same thing and you’re really getting a debate fired up. That’ll learn 'em. And if the other awards are so overwhelming in proving the movie was the best of the year, why run ads? You’re concerned that with all that hardware, the Oscars will somehow degrade the film? Some of the greatest films have never earned a statue. What was the box-office take on this movie? Sure, the gross doesn’t always equate to a movie’s worthiness, but a great film that resonates with people will always be huge. It’s an intriguing and thought-provoking film (yes, I’ve seen it), but if it doesn’t really resonate with many, it’s not going to be memorable. Well, it will be memorable, obviously, but not because of the story. The Oscars aren’t usually awarded based on perceived shock value or lobbying by activists. > [@](#): > > “Members of our community feel so compelled by their disappointment they want to share it with others,” says GLAAD president Neil Giuliano. And many believe that homophobia cost “Brokeback” the Oscar. “We want to send a message,” Cullen says. “There was a lot of fear involved here.” Right. Hollywood is homophobic. I’m sure George Clooney forgot to mention that when he lavishly praised Holywood for all the social wrongs they’ve changed, and how infallible they are in everything they believe. The message was sent awhile ago. For months commentators, bloggers, editors and activists were complaining that Brokeback wouldn’t win because of the gay theme. Few are unaware of what it’s about. Again. What was the take on it in sales? Most know what it’s about. Who went to see it in droves? Most that didn’t, I assume, were those not interested in seeing a gay cowboy love story. Doesn’t make them gay-hating homophibic douchebags. I’ve never seen Spiderman, The Hulk, The Tick, or Fantastic Four. I don’t hate or have any aversion towards comic book superheroes, comic book readers, comic book writers nor comics in general. Come to think of it, none of those films won Best Picture. I think we need to include comics fans as overly oppressed, hated minorities. I’m sure there’s a shitload that were apoplectic about those movies not winning awards. Hell, there’s plenty of movies and socially-acceptable speech that stereotypes comic book readers in a nasty way. I think we should be more attune to their feelings as well. And I know there are a few shitbags that want to declare me to all a homophobe. They’re wrong, but will be along shortly I’m sure. To you douchebags, you’re wrong. But that won’t change what you think in your twisted little minds. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/14 "2006-03-16T04:17:11Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I mean, hell, why do you think they call it _culture?_ Hmm. An analogy to a petrie dish. A culture allows organisms to grow. “Culture” allows different ideas to foment and grow creating, in some cases, new life. (Or ideas as it were.) I don’t know what the etymology of the word is, but this would be a pretty good one to hijack into this meaning. It applies to every culture in this sense by default. Is this the meaning behind the word? If not, let’s make it so! ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/15 "2006-03-16T04:18:00Z")
> [@Walter Windchill](#): > > That’s her writing style. String a bunch of random words together and let the pseudo-intellectuals think she’s poetic. > > - a guy who read The Shipping News ALL of The Shipping News? You’re a better man than I. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/16 "2006-03-16T05:21:30Z")
This makes Ang Lee’s obviously-disappointed reaction look like a model of dignity and restraint. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/17 "2006-03-16T05:23:24Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Is this the meaning behind the word? If not, let’s make it so! Heh. Really, all it means is that I’m a reckless and abandoned one, who stoops to perpetrate a pun. 😉 I think Annie Proulx is a pretty damned fine writer, from what little I’ve read. (I honestly don’t know why _The Shipping News_ is getting beat up on, here; I thought it was an excellent novel.) That said, you can be a great writer and still be an insufferable bore – and so many are. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/18 "2006-03-16T05:47:44Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > By the way, if you want to see someone really eviscerate overrated “literary” writers, [check this out.](http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200107/myers) Wish I could, but it’s subscribers only. ☹ Might have to find it on the newsstands, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/19 "2006-03-16T06:03:59Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Wish I could, but it’s subscribers only. ☹ Might have to find it on the newsstands, I guess. Crap. I was afraid of that. It’s now in [book form](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971865906/sr=8-1/qid=1142488679/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-7943492-6000954?%5Fencoding=UTF8), if that helps. Sorry, guys. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550/20 "2006-03-16T08:24:16Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Reminds me of the movie [Way of the Gun](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0202677/): > > **Bar Patron:** Hey, hey. Yeah you, get up. What are you retarded? Get off the fucking car! > **Raving Bitch:** Hey dickless, get off the fucking car! Hey fucksuck, get your slippery fucking ass of the car! Listen to me, get off the fucking car with your fucking ass! > **Parker:** Shut that cunt’s mouth or I’ll come over there and fuckstart her head! > **Raving Bitch:** You’re gonna wish you never fucking got up this fucking morning, asshole, because my boyfriend’s gonna fuck you up! And then, after that, when he’s fucking your gay uncle over there, I’m gonna fucking cut off your cock and mail it to your mother, you fucking faggot bitch! You Gaylord fucking bitch! How do you like that? You like that a lot, you fucking faggot? You like to ass fuck? Fontanella fucking babyheads! > **Bar Patron:** Go ahead. > **Raving Bitch:** You like to fuck babyheads? You like to fuck boys? He’s gonna fuck you in the ass…how do you like that? He’s not even gay, but he’ll do it just to fuck… > **Bar Patron:** Honey, honey. She’s got a big mouth, but she’s not kidding. I’m gonna whip you silly and then I’m gonna fuck you stupid. You wanna do the man-dance? First dance is yours. I LOVE that movie, and especially that scene. “Raving Bitch” was played by the lovely and talented Sarah Silverman. Oh and, Annie Proulx is one of like 2 currently writing authors whose stuff I even bother to leaf through, and _Shipping News_ deserved its Pulitzer, but “Brokeback Mountain” was way better. Still, she put her foot in it this time. She should write instead of talk. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/annie-proulx-sore-loser-stupid-bitch/348550.md?page=2)