# Anonymous Leaks details on Haditha Killings case **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682 "2012-02-03T20:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/1 "2012-02-03T20:30:44Z")
> **[Anonymous Leaks Marine Corps Massacre Case (Updated)](https://gizmodo.com/anonymous-leaks-marine-corps-massacre-case-updated-5882057)** > > The bombs keep dropping from Anonymous—first local cops, then the FBI, and now the Marine Corps: sensitive documents from 2005's Haditha Killings trial. Anon doesn't think the Marine in charge should have gotten off so lightly. This is their payback. I’m not pitting Anonymous here. Not really. They do some stupid shit, but in this case I say it’s a tiny, tiny shred of justice long overdue. I’d prefer the soldiers responsible for Haditha would be thrown in a dark, deep hole for the rest fo their miserable existence, but apparently our government is so incompetent and corrupt that their version of justice for what is mass murder and a war crime is to drop all charges against 7 out fo the 8 and give the last sack of shit, the leader of these wastes of human skin, a PAY CUT. The defacing and leaks of the private details of the defense team for these so called “soldiers” won’t really accomplish anything. It metes out no real justice. But it’s at least something that brigns back the case to the forefront fo the news. more people should be made aware at the joke that is our military law system. So good on you Anonymous… this time at least. And Fuck you Frank Wuterich, you slimy, murdering, sack of crap. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/2 "2012-02-03T22:27:39Z")
Well I’m definitely not pitting Anonymous; I’m smarter than that. Apparently the FBI and Scotland Yard aren’t so smart. [ > [@](#): > > Trading jokes and swapping leads, investigators from the FBI and Scotland Yard spent the conference call strategizing about how to bring down the hacking collective known as Anonymous, responsible for a string of embarrassing attacks across the Internet. > > Unfortunately for the cyber sleuths, the hackers were in on the call too - and now so is the rest of the world. > > Anonymous published the roughly 15-minute-long recording of the call on the Internet on Friday, gloating in a Twitter message that “the FBI might be curious how we’re able to continuously read their internal comms for some time now.” ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HACKING\_FBI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-03-17-05-02](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HACKING_FBI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-03-17-05-02)) [They posted the call to youtube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3spwzUZfQ) and also posted it as an mp3 (link available at the youtube clip). ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/3 "2012-02-04T01:50:55Z")
Holy shit, anon’s live-hacking the fucking FBI now? :eek: Thanks for linking this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/4 "2012-02-04T02:02:48Z")
I kinda wonder how many agents of three letter agencies are on 4chan. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/5 "2012-02-04T02:40:01Z")
You mean in an official capacity, or on their free time? (Neither would surprise me.) ---
**Author:** ![Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fool_in_the_Rain)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/6 "2012-02-04T03:20:39Z")
:eek: Wow! Remind me not to piss them off. Bugging the freakin FBI, wow. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/7 "2012-02-04T03:47:20Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > You mean in an official capacity, or on their free time? (Neither would surprise me.) I meant how many members of Anonymous also happen to have fancy badges :). Or stinkin’ badgers. Whichever. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/8 "2012-02-04T04:07:59Z")
I’d almost be surprised if Anon didn’t have one or more men on the inside. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/9 "2012-02-04T15:45:49Z")
Just so I understand, you think it’s a good thing that defense lawyers confidential information is hacked? Or do you get to pick which cases? I’m sure the prosecution would love to see that information too. There is a reason why it is this way. To force the prosecution to make its case. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/10 "2012-02-04T15:51:08Z")
The case is closed, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/11 "2012-02-04T17:05:24Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Just so I understand, you think it’s a good thing that defense lawyers confidential information is hacked? Or do you get to pick which cases? I’m sure the prosecution would love to see that information too. There is a reason why it is this way. To force the prosecution to make its case. The case is closed, so it doesn’t matter. Besides which these asswipes CONFESSED to what they did. Their guilt was never in question. THAT is the travesty of justice this case represents. These sub-human apes confessed to mass murder, including shooting BABIES at point blank range, and they got away with nary a slap of the wrist. ---
**Author:** ![Blackzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Blackzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/12 "2012-02-04T17:13:53Z")
Be they agents of chaos or justice, I have to admit that I love Anon and cheer them on because they make me feel like I actually live in the William Gibson techno thriller future I always wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/13 "2012-02-04T17:25:44Z")
> [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](#): > > :eek: Wow! > > Remind me not to piss them off. Bugging the freakin FBI, wow. I don’t know the details, but I’m guessing it was a lot easier than that: conference calls are usually set up where participants all call a number and enter an access code. There’s no security beyond that. So all Anon would have had to do was intercept the email telling people the contact info for the call. Not nothing, of course, but not Mission Impossible infiltration, either. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/14 "2012-02-04T18:51:25Z")
“Hi, this is Anon… er, Special Agent Nonny. You have the access code for today’s call? I misplaced my iPhone… thanks!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/15 "2012-02-04T18:51:58Z")
One should not forget that the 9/11 attacks worked because, after forty years of airplane hijacks, the cockpit doors weren’t locked. Also, the Man works eight hours a day and goes home, the Underground is 24/7/365. That said, I am sane, therefore horrified at Haditha. But not surprised, we already know this, we know that if we send sane and decent young men to war, they will not return the same people who left. How do I condemn a man who goes mad after living in madness, horror and fear for months on end? Justice is sanity and reason, there is none once the drums start to beat. No purpose can be served by punishing these men, certainly we cannot or will not punish them to the extent that would satisfy, if for no other reason than we cannot try them according to our own principles, We know what happened, but we cannot prove who fired which bullet, there is no CSI on the battlefield. We can only resolve, once again, to be certain that we take up arms when there is absolutely no other choice. I am tired of protesting against stupid and vicious wars, once was too many. I am too old for this shit, I was too old at twenty. ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/16 "2012-02-04T19:39:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No purpose can be served by punishing these men, certainly we cannot or will not punish them to the extent that would satisfy, if for no other reason than we cannot try them according to our own principles, We know what happened, but we cannot prove who fired which bullet, there is no CSI on the battlefield. 1. Don’t be a cunt, they murdered unarmed men, women, inc. elderly and children. Who were shot multiple times 2. The purpose that would be served is called ‘justice’, and 3. Charge them all, you’ll soon find out who fired what, when ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/17 "2012-02-04T20:10:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > One should not forget that the 9/11 attacks worked because, after forty years of airplane hijacks, the cockpit doors weren’t locked. Also, the Man works eight hours a day and goes home, the Underground is 24/7/365. > > That said, I am sane, therefore horrified at Haditha. But not surprised, we already know this, we know that if we send sane and decent young men to war, they will not return the same people who left. How do I condemn a man who goes mad after living in madness, horror and fear for months on end? Justice is sanity and reason, there is none once the drums start to beat. > > No purpose can be served by punishing these men, certainly we cannot or will not punish them to the extent that would satisfy, if for no other reason than we cannot try them according to our own principles, We know what happened, but we cannot prove who fired which bullet, there is no CSI on the battlefield. > > We can only resolve, once again, to be certain that we take up arms when there is absolutely no other choice. I am tired of protesting against stupid and vicious wars, once was too many. I am too old for this shit, I was too old at twenty. Wow. No wonder the Serbians think we’re a bunch of hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/18 "2012-02-04T20:48:00Z")
The fuck? Elucidator’s post is absolutely fodder enough for a thousand pittings. Seriously you fuck. We shouldn’t punish them?! And then to draw a parallel between them and the thousands of brave men and women who serve our armies and you know, DON’T murder innocent men woman and children? You are beyond the help of this board. Ignorance IS you. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/19 "2012-02-04T20:51:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No purpose can be served by punishing these men, certainly we cannot or will not punish them to the extent that would satisfy, if for no other reason than we cannot try them according to our own principles, We know what happened, but we cannot prove who fired which bullet, there is no CSI on the battlefield. And would you be this blase if twenty four American civilians, unarmed men, women and children, had been murdered in cold blood? Oh, well, it kinda sucks but war gets like that, whaddaya gonna do? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682/20 "2012-02-04T21:24:55Z")
Then you judge them. I can’t, and I won’t pretend I can. Nor will I pretend that justice has been done, because justice is impossible. If one of them says “Yes, I was there, but I didn’t shoot”, how are you to prove otherwise? You got ballistics? Fingerprints? Who’s testimony can you rely upon? Will you condemn them all, then? Let God sort them out? Then I would remind you they were there under our flag, our uniform, we paid for the bullets. Who do you suggest to judge us? No good can come of this, unless we resolve to do our level best that it never happen again. That’s not enough, its not nearly enough. Its all we’re going to get. You want to hang somebody, hang Bush, Cheney, and Wolfowitz. And that will not be justice, because you can only hang them once. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-leaks-details-on-haditha-killings-case/611682.md?page=2)