# Anonymous makes a stand and draws a line in the digital sand! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737 "2012-11-21T17:34:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/1 "2012-11-21T17:34:19Z")
Didn’t see any threads on this (probably because it’s so lame it limps), so thought I’d start one. The hacker group Anonymous has apparently declared [cyberwar](http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/19/tech/web/cyber-attack-israel-anonymous/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) on Israel and the IDF for their vicious defense of their country from rocket attacks and recently a bomb on a bus! The valiant and courageous hackers for Anonymous are fighting the good fight and battling against Israel and for the fine and upstanding Hamas for Truth, Justice and the Terrorist Way!! > [@](#): > > “Today, Anon lacks the talent and semi-cohesion it once boasted across the net, and its most recent online crusade is an embarrassing reminder,” Sam Biddle wrote for Gizmodo on Monday. “This is less a war than the hacker equivalent of egging someone’s house and then smoking weed behind a Denny’s.” You go guys!! Way to fight the good fight! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/2 "2012-11-21T17:37:31Z")
Who are these guys? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/3 "2012-11-21T17:42:22Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Who are these guys? They won’t say. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/4 "2012-11-21T17:51:56Z")
I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/5 "2012-11-21T18:04:27Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Who are these guys? They’re trying to make a name for themselves. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/6 "2012-11-21T18:08:05Z")
Wrote “Greensleeves”, you know. Also, “Barbara Allen”. And a huge number of pithy and homey aphorisms. Some people think it was Wilde, but it was Anonymous. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/7 "2012-11-21T18:10:38Z")
Why can’t we sic these guys on Rachel from Account Services? If they are so fucking wild about human rights and justice and all. Shut that bitch down, and you will be doing more for world peace and tranquility than spamming the IDF with Nigerian e-mails. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/8 "2012-11-21T18:12:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wrote “Greensleeves”, you know. Also, “Barbara Allen”. And a huge number of pithy and homey aphorisms. Some people think it was Wilde, but it was Anonymous. I’ve learned that a lot of songs attibuted to Anonymous may have actually been written by someone named Trad Arr. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/9 "2012-11-21T18:12:55Z")
“Arr, me hearties! Arr! Arr!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/10 "2012-11-21T18:16:33Z")
Aside: Saw a BBC production about Hank the Eight. Throwaway scene in there showing him sitting at a table with a lute, plucking notes and transcribing the song onto paper. It becomes clear after a couple of seconds that the song is “Greensleeves”, reflecting a long-standing myth/fact that he wrote it. And then they move right along… Groovy Easter Egg for history wonks. End aside. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/11 "2012-11-21T18:33:54Z")
Anonymous? Cohesion? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/12 "2012-11-21T18:34:58Z")
Ok so apparently we don’t know who they are. So how do we know it’s really them? ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/13 "2012-11-21T19:03:39Z")
Judge by the results, not by who they claim to be. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/14 "2012-11-21T19:05:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wrote “Greensleeves”, you know. Also, “Barbara Allen”. And a huge number of pithy and homey aphorisms. Some people think it was Wilde, but it was Anonymous. Also an awful lot of porn. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/15 "2012-11-21T19:34:22Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Ok so apparently we don’t know who they are. So how do we know it’s really them? Who else would claim to be them? ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/16 "2012-11-21T20:07:56Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Who else would claim to be them? People with a long-term interest in clamping down on internet rights and access. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/17 "2012-11-21T20:17:07Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > People with a long-term interest in clamping down on internet rights and access. Or just about any script kiddie who knows where to download the latest push-button-do-l33t-h4x0r-thing tools someone \*actually \*talented (or just computer litterate) hashed out out of boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/18 "2012-11-21T20:23:12Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Or just about any script kiddie who knows where to download the latest push-button-do-l33t-h4x0r-thing tools someone \*actually \*talented (or just computer litterate) hashed out out of boredom. Yeah, Anonymous has, in the past had some pretty savvy programmers and whatnot in its ranks but for the rank and file? Script kiddie sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/19 "2012-11-21T20:27:56Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Or just about any script kiddie who knows where to download the latest push-button-do-l33t-h4x0r-thing tools someone \*actually \*talented (or just computer litterate) hashed out out of boredom. Truly talented and decent people don’t put shit like that out in the wild for any idiot to get their hands on. I’m more inclined to believe it is someone with a vested interest in there being lots of computer problems out there, who is likely to be involved. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/20 "2012-11-21T20:49:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yeah, Anonymous has, in the past had some pretty savvy programmers and whatnot in its ranks but for the rank and file? Script kiddie sounds about right. That’s kind of my point - Anonymous is any and everything, and anyone can claim Anonymous. It’s not like they have a membership roster. Or a hierarchy. The Anonymous that stalks 14 year olds for tits or GTFO is not the same Anonymous that helps Wikileaks, fucks Scientology up the butt or whatever actually “heroic” or remarkable thing Anonymous may or may not have done over the years. Therefore, putting Anonymous as a whole on the stand for this or that action people claiming Anonymous did is sorta retarded. It’s akin to putting the ocean on trial because sharks!! (or because manatees. I swear, these things look too stupid to have any right to be alive.) [QUOTE=dimmy derko] Truly talented and decent people don’t put shit like that out in the wild for any idiot to get their hands on. [/QUOTE] Truly talented people tend to be fucked in the head in some way or other, in my experience. Which is why they become talented in the first place. And ego is just as wonderful a reason as any to gratuitously cock anything up. Remember: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737.md?page=2)