# Anonymous makes a stand and draws a line in the digital sand! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737 "2012-11-21T17:34:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/21 "2012-11-21T20:56:11Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > That’s kind of my point - Anonymous is any and everything, and anyone can claim Anonymous. It’s not like they have a membership roster. Or a hierarchy. Well, there was a core group that was kind of spearheading them at one time, but yeah. My first post was a joke that Anonymous is so reviled that only Anonymous would claim to be Anonymous. I guess it only appealed to me. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/22 "2012-11-21T21:02:04Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Truly talented people tend to be fucked in the head in some way or other, in my experience. Which is why they become talented in the first place. And ego is just as wonderful a reason as any to gratuitously cock anything up. Remember: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity 😉 I beg to differ. Being an irresponsible fuck up isn’t a prerequisite of being immensely talented. If the world’s greatest welterweight mixed martial artist can beat shit out of people like no other and still be a nice guy outside of the ring, there’s no excuse for a genius hacker to be a complete dick. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/23 "2012-11-21T21:22:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, there was a core group that was kind of spearheading them at one time, but yeah. > > My first post was a joke that Anonymous is so reviled that only Anonymous would claim to be Anonymous. I guess it only appealed to me. Also anyone claiming to be Anonymous who is not would immediately be targetted by Anonymous. C’mon dude make up your own name. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/24 "2012-11-21T22:40:04Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > I beg to differ. Being an irresponsible fuck up isn’t a prerequisite of being immensely talented. I didn’t say it was a pre-requisite, just that it was quite often the case in my experience. > [@](#): > > If the world’s greatest welterweight mixed martial artist can beat shit out of people like no other and still be a nice guy outside of the ring, there’s no excuse for a genius hacker to be a complete dick. Nor did I claim it was any sort of excuse, I have no idea where you got that from. Let me be clear: I can recognize that Van Gogh was shit hot when it comes to painting sunflowers. I also recognize that a person who cuts off his own ear while on a self-mortification bender is dangerously crackerjack. The former doesn’t “excuse” the latter. But I \*do \*think that, had Van Gogh not been the kind of guy who’s up for a little self-mutilation because it seemed like a good idea at the time, he probably wouldn’t have become a painter in the first place, nor would he have devoted (and sacrificed) his entire life to his art. See the nuance ? Besides, there are many, many ways to be fucked in the head. I’m sure there are plenty of ridiculously talented coders who also happen to have dead-on-balls accurate moral compasses. All I was saying was that, just because someone is intellectually brilliant, doesn’t mean they also have to be ipso facto morally irreproachable. The two notions are pretty much orthogonal. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/25 "2012-11-21T22:45:24Z")
I understand a cease-fire has been arranged. So what’s the point for Anonymous to meddle in this? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/26 "2012-11-21T23:03:25Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I understand a cease-fire has been arranged. So what’s the point for Anonymous to meddle in this? The article is a couple of days old, so Anonymous has been doing this since before the cease fire was even being talked about seriously. I just thought it was funny, especially the part I quoted, so figured I’d post it here as a freebee for 'dopers to go wild and be witty. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/27 "2012-11-22T00:13:19Z")
Anonymous, if it **is** Anonymous, is going up against a _nasty_ intel agency, with it’s own cyberwar section. My money’s on the Jews, in 3 rounds. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/28 "2012-11-22T00:16:08Z")
Anonymous are probably even more widespread than jews, so my money is on Anon. This time they are up against an enemy who they can’t blow the shit out of until they find out where they are. And they are Legion, so there is that. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/29 "2012-11-22T00:39:47Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Judge by the results, not by who they claim to be. For a second there I was expecting “It bears the hallmark”… just like everything these days… ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/30 "2012-11-22T00:53:51Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > For a second there I was expecting “It bears the hallmark”… just like everything these days… Not sure what mean? ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/31 "2012-11-22T02:18:23Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Also an awful lot of porn. Not to mention a lot of awful porn. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/32 "2012-11-22T03:54:59Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Not sure what mean? Well, Hamas denies they did that bus bombing in Tel Aviv but someone made it look like they did. In case you’ve been sleeping for last 10 years, the news reports would always say - in the absence of any conclusive evidence - that some act of terrorism “bears the hallmark” therefore it must be… them! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/33 "2012-11-22T04:22:05Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Well, Hamas denies they did that bus bombing in Tel Aviv but someone made it look like they did. In case you’ve been sleeping for last 10 years, the news reports would always say - in the absence of any conclusive evidence - that some act of terrorism “bears the hallmark” therefore it must be… them! Ah yes…first they claimed responsibility, then (after they got negative reactions) they retracted the claim. Very believable. So, of course, the Israelis did it, right? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/34 "2012-11-22T11:27:00Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Well, Hamas denies they did that bus bombing in Tel Aviv but someone made it look like they did. In case you’ve been sleeping for last 10 years, the news reports would always say - in the absence of any conclusive evidence - that some act of terrorism “bears the hallmark” therefore it must be… them! Ah, now I see. How I long for the old days when honourable terrorists would ring the intelligence services or a newspaper up, and using a pre-arranged code word, inform them of what dastardly behaviour they had planned. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/35 "2012-11-22T12:59:23Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Ah, now I see. How I long for the old days when honourable terrorists would ring the intelligence services or a newspaper up, and using a pre-arranged code word, inform them of what dastardly behaviour they had planned. Kids today :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/36 "2012-11-22T13:01:27Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Kids today :rolleyes: I might be young at heart, but I haven’t been a kid for a long time. Got anything less patronising to offer? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/37 "2012-11-22T13:18:03Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > I might be young at heart, but I haven’t been a kid for a long time. Got anything less patronising to offer? I was referring to the terrorist kids who don’t have the decency to claim credit for murdering people. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/38 "2012-11-22T14:48:10Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I was referring to the terrorist kids who don’t have the decency to claim credit for murdering people. A decency? I get it! I guess we all long for the days of purported audio tapes and theatrical threats. “Yes bitch, it’s me! Next time I see you, I’m gonna eff you up!” ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/39 "2012-11-22T14:52:26Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I was referring to the terrorist kids who don’t have the decency to claim credit for murdering people. My apologies then. I’ll get the hang of that green face one day. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Universe_Lashes_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737/40 "2012-11-22T17:31:04Z")
> [@XT](#): > > The valiant and courageous hackers for Anonymous are fighting the good fight and battling against Israel and for the fine and upstanding Hamas for Truth, Justice and the Terrorist Way!! Being against Israel doesn’t mean they are on the “side” of Hamas. This isn’t sports. Maybe they just choose to go after whoever is responsible for killing the most innocent people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anonymous-makes-a-stand-and-draws-a-line-in-the-digital-sand/641737.md?page=1)