# Another 4 year old kills his Dad **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 8, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473 "2013-06-08T14:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/21 "2013-06-09T11:43:15Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Even so, why was the gun cocked with a bullet in the chamber? > Sounds like a _terribly_ irresponsible gun owner. A double action (semi-auto or revolver) is coked by pulling the trigger. A revolver always has a round “chambered” while racking the slide of a semi-auto can give away your position/presence. The only fault here was the gun was accessible to an unauthorized user. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/22 "2013-06-09T13:43:26Z")
The only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/23 "2013-06-09T15:12:56Z")
Your NRA may like to seize the opportunity these incidents supply to urge mandatory live-action gun training for two-year-olds, pointing out this will obviate these tragedies. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/24 "2013-06-09T20:15:59Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Your NRA may like to seize the opportunity these incidents supply to urge mandatory live-action gun training for two-year-olds, pointing out this will obviate these tragedies. Well of course two-year-olds, because that is their favorite number. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/25 "2013-06-09T23:05:34Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Even so, why was the gun cocked with a bullet in the chamber? > Sounds like a _terribly_ irresponsible gun owner. > > Is he a mafia hit man or a gang member, expecting an assassin to burst through his front door any minute? Really…if he was that concerned about his safety, he should have had the gun on his person, not sitting on the table. I’ll not be surprised at all if this turns out to be another case of someone being shot and killed by an ‘unloaded’ gun. And no matter how it went down, it’s the gun owner in this case who is responsible for the death caused by his improperly secured firearm. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/26 "2013-06-10T00:26:49Z")
So I guess maybe we can resolve that guns are not the problem, and people are not really the problem, we should address the issue of stupid people with guns. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473/27 "2013-06-10T00:32:31Z")
> [@For You](#): > > So I guess maybe we can resolve that guns are not the problem, and people are not really the problem, we should address the issue of stupid people with guns. Stupid people plus say, knives or bats, isn’t nearly as dangerous as stupid people and guns. That’s right up there with stupid people and cars. Cars are heavily regulated because of stupid people. Gun makers need an internal Ralph Nader to goad them into making guns safer. I’m not sure how exactly- technomagic of some flavor, like airbags were in the 70s. Because if gun makers don’t do it, eventually it’'l happen due to outside pressure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-4-year-old-kills-his-dad/660473.md?page=1)