# Another "Anti-Gay" Crusader Falls Out Of The Closet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349 "2010-05-05T00:14:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/321 "2010-05-08T01:51:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > At the risk of being accused of being legalistic: It’s not up to the good state of Virginia to define adultery. They can define a hug as murder but that doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/322 "2010-05-08T04:03:36Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > It’s not up to the good state of Virginia to define adultery. They can define a hug as murder but that doesn’t make it so. As a resident of Virginia, I’ve adopted their definition. I don’t claim this is the only reasonable definition, or that everyone shoudl accept it, but it’s what I mean when I say the word. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/323 "2010-05-08T04:07:40Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > It’s not up to the good state of Virginia to define adultery. They can define a hug as murder but that doesn’t make it so. Um – it’s up to the State [technically, “Commonwealth” but we all understand ‘state’] to define the crime. Every valid crime has to be defined so clearly that a reasonable man can identify when he is doing or not doing the prohibited act. If the official crime [say, ‘parkland trespass’] is defined as, among other things, “walking on the grass in a public park or other public place where prohibited by clear signage,” and you walk on the shrubbery borders instead, you have not violated that particular law. I remember in my college days hearing of a case where a state had defined petit larceny as stealing less than $500 and grand larceny as stealing more than $500, and a good defense attorney got his client acquitted, because he had stolen exactly $500. (The state rapidly changed the law, of course.) Certainly, the state cannot define what popular usage means by the term. Right-to-life protesters regularly claim, “Abortion is murder!” when it is not even a crime of any sort. (And yes, I know there are circumstances and places where some abortions are criminal offenses – you know what I’m driving at here, folks!) The point is that popular usage tends to be sloppy – contemplate the ‘technical virgins’ who have pleasured their boyfriends in many different ways, not including penile-vaginal intercourse. And you can’t criminalize “what everybody means by \_\_\_” – you need to define it in such a clear way that all reasonable people can say, “If he did in fact do _that_, he’s guilty of \_\_\_” and mean the same thing by it. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/324 "2010-05-08T04:42:31Z")
Anybody see the kid on Anderson Cooper? Really cute and well spoken. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/325 "2010-05-08T05:02:50Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Anybody see the kid on Anderson Cooper? Really cute and well spoken. I don’t have cable, but I’m sure it’ll be available on the internet soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/326 "2010-05-08T05:11:23Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I don’t have cable, but I’m sure it’ll be available on the internet soon enough. Yep, that was quick: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiIXb9Aql0](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiIXb9Aql0) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/327 "2010-05-08T05:13:55Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Anybody see the kid on Anderson Cooper? Really cute and well spoken. Maybe I’m a gullible sucker, but I find it kind of endearing that he really seems to care about trying to show some responsibility to the gay community. I don’t think he comes off as a cynical, calculating hustler at all, but deer-in-the-headlights kid who’s trying figure out the most ethical avenue to take even while his life blows up around him. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/328 "2010-05-08T05:19:36Z")
The kid’s a hooker. What’s he got to blow up? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/329 "2010-05-08T05:26:04Z")
[Second Gay Escort Claims Sexual Encounter With George Rekers](http://gawker.com/5533901/second-gay-escort-claims-sexual-encounter-with-george-rekers?skyline=true&s=i) The train wreck continues… ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/330 "2010-05-08T14:32:35Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Yep, that was quick: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiIXb9Aql0](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiIXb9Aql0) I like how at the end, when they mention the statement from the Family Research Council, and it said that they actually had to go back and check their archives to make sure that he really was a member. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/331 "2010-05-08T14:39:53Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > It says “In 1983 Rekers was on the founding board of the Family Research Council”… but darned if I can find his name on [the FRC history page](http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?c=HISTORY_ABOUT)… > > The 8" uncut cock was needed for his experiments using the Large Hardon Collider. > [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > It was removed within 12 hours of this story becoming public. They are getting pretty at cleansing their history quickly; it seems to happen so often to them. > > (They also seem to have had Google purge the cached version.) > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Fished from the memory hole](http://web.archive.org/web/20070608213722/http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?c=HISTORY_ABOUT), courtesy of the Wayback Machine. As the above posts show, the FRC is also lying. > [@joebuck20](#): > > I like how at the end, when they mention the statement from the Family Research Council, and it said that they actually had to go back and check their archives to make sure that he really was a member. > Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/332 "2010-05-08T14:54:08Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Second Gay Escort Claims Sexual Encounter With George Rekers](http://gawker.com/5533901/second-gay-escort-claims-sexual-encounter-with-george-rekers?skyline=true&s=i) > > The train wreck continues… From that: > [@](#): > > Looking back I think he thought that it wasn’t gay, that he hadn’t crossed the line, because he didn’t want me to masturbate him at all. Just run my fingers over him there. So… first, I find that account very credible. And second: the denial this guy must be in is enormous. “It’s not gay to want a fingertip naked massage from a man!” ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/333 "2010-05-08T15:24:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > What aisle is that on in the supermarket? You will find “Adultery Helper” in Aisle 12, in the pharmacy section, between the condoms and pregnancy test kits, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/334 "2010-05-08T15:35:04Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > I like how at the end, when they mention the statement from the Family Research Council, and it said that they actually had to go back and check their archives to make sure that he really was a member. > Ouch. Yeah, that was really below the belt. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/335 "2010-05-08T18:19:50Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > I like how at the end, when they mention the statement from the Family Research Council, and it said that they actually had to go back and check their archives to make sure that he really was a member. > Ouch. “In Soviet Colorado Springs, if you sin, you become an unperson.” (Yeah, it’s not very funny. But that’s kind of the point.) ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/336 "2010-05-08T18:37:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Tammy Faye was actually never homophobic; she had openly gay assistants at PTL and interviewed gay AIDS patients on her show without judgment or even reference to their lifestyle. I think someone once asked her if she liked gay people and she said basically, Well, look at me! Do you think I could look this way without an army of gay guys for backup? I recall her also once being quoted as saying that gay guys were the only people who were nice to her after her divorce. Finally, I understand her son (a rather cute punk) now runs a queer-(and a lot of other people)-inclusive evangelical ministry in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/337 "2010-05-08T18:48:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Maybe I’m a gullible sucker, but I find it kind of endearing that he really seems to care about trying to show some responsibility to the gay community. I don’t think he comes off as a cynical, calculating hustler at all, but deer-in-the-headlights kid who’s trying figure out the most ethical avenue to take even while his life blows up around him. I thought it spoke extremely well of him that he seems to care about Rekers- even said he enjoyed the trip and would like to remain his friend. He could also very easily lie about the level of sexual contact and claim there was full-on contact and nobody could dispute him, but remains with the ‘no, just nude massages’ version that is probably true. [QUOTE=matt mcl] Finally, I understand her son (a rather cute punk) now runs a queer-(and a lot of other people)-inclusive evangelical ministry in New York. [/QUOTE] Meanwhile, and not surprisingly, her ex-husband Jim (about whom there were many gay rumors and allegations) has moved in the opposite direction in his post-prison ministry. Last time I caught him while channel surfing he’s become more Fundie and condemning than he was on PTL against gays and other fornicatrixes. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/338 "2010-05-08T20:30:33Z")
I just saw [Rachel Maddow’s commentary](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl7Rwyro7qU) for the first time, but her sum-up is great. She tells about the letter Rekers recently sent to 14,000 schools about curing the gay, debunks the “American College of Pediatricians” (a professional sounding title that is just an anti-gay group) and concludes with: “Being gay cannot be cured. Being a contemptible pathetic hypocrite _can_ be cured. Come out come out wherever you are.” ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/339 "2010-05-08T20:39:16Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Damn, I have a long way to go before I’m an unfit parent… Want me to send over some hookers? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349/340 "2010-05-08T21:08:49Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Want me to send over some hookers? If you’re going that way anyway, could you pick me up a brunette twink, some lottery tickets and a copy of the new THE ATLANTIC? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-anti-gay-crusader-falls-out-of-the-closet/538349.md?page=18)