# Another cool gun thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 29, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680 "2008-02-29T22:11:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/1 "2008-02-29T22:11:31Z")
I keep coming across interesting but largely unavailable or unpractical guns on the net, but [this little package](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s) is really blowing me away. šŸ˜‰ There are so many pratical uses for a small folding weapon like this one that these guys could make a nice chunk of change if they started mass producing them, or at least selling conversion kits for popular handgun makes. I could easily see Kahr or Kel-Tec picking up on something like this, unless this would be deemed to ā€œdangerousā€ for we regular knuckle draggers to own. Still, hats off to an excellent piece of engineering. ---
**Author:** ![Wakinyan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wakinyan/32/352_2.png) [@Wakinyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wakinyan)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/2 "2008-02-29T22:26:28Z")
_Cheeesboiger!_ ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/3 "2008-02-29T22:34:32Z")
A number of [similar weapons](http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg70-e.htm) have been conceived: ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/4 "2008-02-29T22:35:31Z")
That is so cool. ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/5 "2008-02-29T22:45:07Z")
Nah, sorry. (Too many hinges) + (moving parts) = (something to jam up) + (go wrong). Nice to look at, nice concept, but Iā€™ll happily keep the pistol my wife bought me on my hip. Tripler Iā€™m a simplistic dude. ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/6 "2008-02-29T23:10:52Z")
Wait **Tripler** , letā€™s not be hasty here. It doesnā€™t have to be an either/or thing does it? Why not have both? (Iā€™ll tell you why - itā€™s based on a Glock, but Iā€™m a stubborn old coot) I got [this](http://picasaweb.google.com/wyzardd/Toys/photo#5172541826647073506) for x-mas. Mk IV Series 80 .380. I carry [this](http://picasaweb.google.com/wyzardd/Toys/photo#5080868795995815554) and shoot [this](http://picasaweb.google.com/wyzardd/Toys/photo#5080868731571305810), so what do I need with a little .380? Obviously, the answer is ā€œitā€™s coolā€ Just like a tiny little 1911 that fits in my pocket. I suspect theyā€™re asking a bit more for the Tranform-a-Glock, tho. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/7 "2008-03-01T00:24:38Z")
Looked to me like he almost lost a couple fingers folding it back up. But hey, it _is_ a prototype. But why all that? Like someone said, a 1911 in your pocket would be more effective. I carried my little Beretta .32 hider once. Kept reaching back and feeling it. Real subtle. šŸ˜‰ Cool looking gun, though. They should make in a CO2 pellet model. No ā€œairsoftā€. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/8 "2008-03-01T00:36:29Z")
As I always do in these threads, I present the [Serbu Super Shorty](http://serbu.com/top/superShorty.php). [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZptrF9e7Bw) it is in action. If the missus ever lets me (which seems more and more doubtful), my next purchase is going to be a [Ruger Charger](http://www.ruger.com/Charger/). A nice bullpup would be good, too. Hereā€™s the [FN PS90](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_PS90), and its partner in 5.7x28 ammunition, the [FN Five-seveN](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-seveN). Iā€™ll take one of each, thanks. And last, who could ever forget the [600 Nitro Express revolver](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fSIbA9SOM) I posted about in another thread a week or two ago? I want to fire that gun one time. That would probably be quite enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/9 "2008-03-01T03:34:37Z")
I should point out the original of these is a Stoner design. > **[ARES FMG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARES_FMG)** > > The ARES FMG is a folding submachine gun designed by Francis J. Warin of Oak Harbor, Ohio, while he worked at Eugene Stoner's ARES Inc. Warin designed the gun for concealment and covert use, describing it as a ā€œbusinessmanā€™s personal defense weaponā€. Allegedly, Warin had the idea of a defense weapon for VIPs and CEOs following the numbers of kidnappings of many of such persons in South America during the early 1980s. The FMG never entered full production. > The weapon was unique, in that it is des... I like the Russian version better, on the bottom of this page. [http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/uniqueguns/](http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/uniqueguns/) Itā€™s a radio! (The sideways pistol and Calico rifle are also neat) ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/10 "2008-03-01T03:49:09Z")
Semi-auto, that is: [revolver](http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Mateba_Model_6.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/11 "2008-03-01T06:00:39Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] A nice bullpup would be good, too. Hereā€™s the [FN PS90](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_PS90), and its partner in 5.7x28 ammunition, the [FN Five-seveN](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-seveN). Iā€™ll take one of each, thanks. [/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how those P90ā€™s handle the cartridges? I have never seen how those top-loading thingies work. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/12 "2008-03-01T15:07:12Z")
Itā€™s a helix. They spin 90 degrees as they load in. Itā€™s very well manufactured. [http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/mag/magazine.gif](http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/mag/magazine.gif) They eject out the bottom, which is why Stargate uses them: no flying brass to get in the cameraā€™s PoV. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/13 "2008-03-02T07:15:40Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Itā€™s a helix. They spin 90 degrees as they load in. Itā€™s very well manufactured. [![](http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/mag/magazine.gif) ](http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/mag/magazine.gif) They eject out the bottom, which is why Stargate uses them: no flying brass to get in the cameraā€™s PoV. [/QUOTE] I would think that would slow down the rate of fire, so I guess I am a dope (not Doper)? ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/14 "2008-03-02T08:07:36Z")
I held a S&W .50 (500) short barrel at my local gunsmith. I realize the disadvantages, but it felt cool. His friend, who owns one of each said one of the disadvantages is that you really donā€™t want to discharge it indoors. Iā€™ve been trying (not to hard) to find an outdoor range that will rent me one. Silly man šŸ˜‰ : [ka-pow](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxLmiYiwvus&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/15 "2008-03-03T02:46:46Z")
[QUOTE=mangeorge] [ka-pow](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxLmiYiwvus&feature=related) [/QUOTE] My ears are ringing just watching that. ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/16 "2008-03-03T03:16:17Z")
Itā€™s not worth starting a new thread, so if no one minds a minor hijack - Iā€™m looking for a .22 rifle for my oldest sonā€™s 12th birthday. Heā€™s been shooting a Ruger 10/22 for several years, I cut the stock down to fit the shorter arms, and since he has a younger brother I donā€™t want to put the full size stock back on for a couple more years. To the point - Any recommendations for an affordable rifle that will serve him for years to come but isnā€™t a $600 Remington? I sā€™pose I could just pick up another 10/22, but whereā€™s the fun in that? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/17 "2008-03-03T03:23:44Z")
But the 10/22 is it, where .22s are concerned. Do you want different or do you want good? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/18 "2008-03-03T03:34:45Z")
[QUOTE=Oslo Ostragoth] My ears are ringing just watching that. [/QUOTE] My head hurts watching that. If you handle guns the way this guy handles his, please, sell them to me. Iā€™ll find a way to take them off your hands. He swept the cameraman numerous times, and while showing his shiny new toy he had his damn finger on the trigger. Thatā€™s too much gun and far more responsibility than that guy is equipped to handle. Oh, and the cylinder flip at the end? How cool. :rolleyes: OK. Iā€™m off my soapbox now. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/19 "2008-03-03T03:39:09Z")
How many shooters are there in various regions? Iā€™m thinking there should be some DopeBlasts where shooting Dopers in each region bring out their toys. It would be fun to shoot each otherā€™s guns, and it would give non-shooting dopers a chance to give it a try. ISTR the late **Padeye** set one up once. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680/20 "2008-03-03T03:41:18Z")
Now THAT is a good idea. Maybe start another thread on that somewhere? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-cool-gun-thread/439680.md?page=2)