# Another Crappy Teacher: Mocking Muslim Student **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723 "2011-05-04T17:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/41 "2011-05-05T19:08:08Z")
I am from the far north and west of India - the Punjab region. My grandparents are from Lahore, which is now in Pakistan. I can tell you the people that live on or close to the border are pretty similar, and there is a subset of Pakistani Muslims that do wear turbans; just as there are some Indians that wear turbans. But it is a small proportion. Hell, Indian men still wear turbans when they get married. I don’t expect Americans to tell the difference, but the Hindu/Muslim ones are sort of pre-shaped. You don’t wrap them around your head, you just put them on your head like a sort of hat. Sikh ones are mostly wrapped around the head, with an enormously long cloth; it’s because (presumably) of the long hair, and besides that’s what their Gurus said to do. My grandfather or great-grandfather probably wore a turban. It was part of his _iman_; his honor. But nowadays no one in my family does. Even though I am Punjabi I am not Sikh. (Even Indians assume all Punjabi people are Sikh). My dad wore one when he got married, though, and if I had gotten married in a traditional Hindu wedding, my husband would have also. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/42 "2011-05-05T19:17:46Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Hell, Indian men still wear turbans when they get married. Well, the lucky ones do. Bengali grooms are saddled with the ridiculous [topor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topor_%28headgear%29). ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/43 "2011-05-05T19:19:23Z")
I just read the article from Skald. Here is a little more information. The Sikhs have five k’s in their religion: kach - the iron bracelet they all wear on their arm kirpan - the curved blade they wear kang - a wooden comb kes - long hair kacha - specific type of cotton underwear An iron bracelet reminds you that God has no beginning and no end. Sikhism is a warrior culture and protection of the innocent is their highest calling; hence the blade. The comb is obviously to keep your hair NEAT and TIDY. I am sure there slobs amongst Sikhs like anywhere, but it’s against their normality. Hair is a gift from God, so it is not to be cut. Men and women. And the underwear is to remain pure and clean and outside of the influence of the Five Evils. So you see, Sikhs wear the turban out of convenience for all of that hair - although it is mandatory to wear it, and is called a Dastar. Indian turbans are called pagri. A pagri is a symbol of honor and respect. Muslims have in the past worn a very long elaborate turban which is also a symbol of honor and respect. I like the topor, actually. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/44 "2011-05-05T19:26:17Z")
Missed the edit window. acsenray raises another point - how different Indians are. It really isn’t like here, where I go from New York to Mass and it’s pretty much the same. It’s radically different from state to state in India. Fourteen languages and like 700 different dialects, different clothes, different religions, different customs. Two people may call themselves Hindu and believe in completely different things. So if Hindus are that different, to assume that all brown people are one religion or another is ignorance of a staggering sort. I admit I don’t expect much different, though, and am always impressed when an outsider knows the least bit about my culture. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/45 "2011-05-05T23:38:29Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > [This blogger](http://muslimsareterrorists.wordpress.com/) has a … different … take on this story. He has comments turned off for all his entries. Shocker! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/46 "2011-05-05T23:52:53Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Well, the lucky ones do. Bengali grooms are saddled with the ridiculous [topor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topor_%28headgear%29). At least Bengali grooms don’t look like the [Predator](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HEAMt3UrjSQ/SZmSu8R2XxI/AAAAAAAANaE/7-o7Yz26pLk/s400/DSC02773.JPG). ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/47 "2011-05-06T00:40:50Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > And goddamnit GIRLS DON’T WEAR TURBANS except in plays sometimes! Tell that to Gloria Swanson! ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/48 "2011-05-06T17:56:31Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Do that many _male_ Muslims wear turbans? Keffiyehs, skullcaps, yes, but turbans? Is the headwear that Osama bin Laden wore not a turban? (This is not a rhetorical question- I really am asking) I like the huge turbans that Ottoman sultans used to wear, like this one: [big turban](http://everyneelsthing.blogspot.com/2010/02/fashionits-risky-business.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/49 "2011-05-06T18:15:50Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > Is the headwear that Osama bin Laden wore not a turban? (This is not a rhetorical question- I really am asking) > > I like the huge turbans that Ottoman sultans used to wear, like this one: > > [big turban](http://everyneelsthing.blogspot.com/2010/02/fashionits-risky-business.html) Yes he does wear a turban in many photos. The Keffiya is something of the Levant and the Peninsula, in Africa it is the turban that you wear if you wear such traditional dress. People seem to think the people of the Arabian Peninsula and the Levant are typical of all muslims, it is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/50 "2011-05-06T19:28:29Z")
Here is a picture of a Hindu groom wearing a turban: [Hindu groom](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/77898/77898,1251578640,2/stock-photo-a-portrait-of-an-indian-groom-in-a-traditional-wedding-attire-36136504.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-36136504/stock-photo-a-portrait-of-an-indian-groom-in-a-traditional-wedding-attire.html&usg=__mdgp73IAb25QDeGH0rQPFHxpfIU=&h=470&w=300&sz=109&hl=en&start=0&sig2=_GzbxbxE8GmQN3zSud1Q_g&zoom=1&tbnid=ZHubHF5PDB2sNM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=85&ei=ZkrETd-wL5GtgQePiN3OBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhindu%2Bgroom%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1004%26bih%3D583%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=312&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0&tx=58&ty=45) Here is one with the sehra down: [sehra](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.indiaweddingplanner.com/images/gallery/indian-groom/groom-wedding-sehra/groom-sehra-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.indiaweddingplanner.com/indian-groom/wedding-sehra.html&usg=__FqSyTjEWWheEQKbM_gRcqRedNxY=&h=201&w=223&sz=19&hl=en&start=0&sig2=uZyvwZeT-Ov0-09qfi7jfg&zoom=0&tbnid=SVlaKA7x3lHC0M:&tbnh=96&tbnw=107&ei=q0rETcL1GMPLgQeE7NzNBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhindu%2Bgroom%2Bwith%2Bsehra%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1004%26bih%3D583%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=164&vpy=131&dur=360&hovh=96&hovw=107&tx=102&ty=40&page=1&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0) > [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > Is the headwear that Osama bin Laden wore not a turban? (This is not a rhetorical question- I really am asking) > > I like the huge turbans that Ottoman sultans used to wear, like this one: > > [big turban](http://everyneelsthing.blogspot.com/2010/02/fashionits-risky-business.html) I Love that one! Looks like a big garlic. Anyway, he does wear a turban. I tried to google it but it came up with a picture of Osama with his head shaped to look like a dick. Haha fucking funny. This is with “moderate” safe search on. Thanks, google. But if you do google him, and you google Hindu groom, you can very clearly see the difference in the turbans. Ramira is right. Again, I point you to the vast difference between myself and ascenray, who both call ourselves Hindus. If we can be so different, why the hell wouldn’t Muslims be just as varied? We won’t even mention the gazillion sects of Christianity. It would be like saying “those damn Christians, speaking in tongues like they do.” All the Christians would be all “That’s just the Pentacostals; what the fuck are you on, man?” That’s what it feels like sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/51 "2011-05-06T19:39:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > At least Bengali grooms don’t look like the [Predator](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HEAMt3UrjSQ/SZmSu8R2XxI/AAAAAAAANaE/7-o7Yz26pLk/s400/DSC02773.JPG). Come on, that’s way better than [this](http://www.indiamike.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/18580/cat/500/ppuser/27061). Bengali grooms don’t even get to ride in on a white stallion. It’s by river boat and then a teeny-tiny, boxy palanquin-like conveyance. And, of course, those things are hard to get in most places, so it’s by [Ambi](http://www.udaycars.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=3/&g2_itemId=20) and then by foot. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/52 "2011-05-06T19:43:43Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Come on, that’s way better than [this](http://www.indiamike.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/18580/cat/500/ppuser/27061). > > Bengali grooms don’t even get to ride in on a white stallion. It’s by river boat and then a teeny-tiny, boxy palanquin-like conveyance. And, of course, those things are hard to get in most places, so it’s by Ambi and then by foot. …Ambi? do translate, for in my language an Ambi is a small mango and I have images of you trying to get to your bride on a small mango… Is that a picture of you, btw? Did you wear one when you got wedded? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/53 "2011-05-06T19:45:25Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > …Ambi? do translate, for in my language an Ambi is a small mango and I have images of you trying to get to your bride on a small mango… Ambi is sometimes an affectionate term for Hindustan Motors’ Ambassador (car). > [@](#): > > Is that a picture of you, btw? Did you wear one when you got wedded? That’s not me; it’s just a random internet picture. But, yes, I wore a topor, despite all my scheming to get out of it. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/54 "2011-05-06T19:47:41Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > …Ambi? do translate, for in my language an Ambi is a small mango and I have images of you trying to get to your bride on a small mango… That would be so awesome. > [@acsenray](#): > > Ambi is sometimes an affectionate term for Hindustan Motors’ Ambassador (car). Rats. I knew it was too good to be true. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/55 "2011-05-06T19:50:06Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Ambi is sometimes an affectionate term for Hindustan Motors’ Ambassador (car). Disappointed. ☹ > [@](#): > > That’s not me; it’s just a random internet picture. But, yes, I wore a topor, despite all my scheming to get out of it. My dad had to have kajol put in his eyes. The wedding has pictures of women putting it in there, and him wincing and stuff. 🙂 For the unenlightened, kajol is [Kohl](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohl_(cosmetics)). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/56 "2011-05-06T19:57:07Z")
Sorry to disappoint. Absolutely no intention to mislead. But, 'Mika, I was sure you’d be familiar with the term “Ambi.” ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/57 "2011-05-06T20:11:52Z")
Naw, my family does own Ambassadors but they never called it anything cute in front of me. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/58 "2011-05-06T21:51:23Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Poe’s Law has never applied harder. Pamela Gellar sure seems to be aiming for making Poe’s law outdated. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/59 "2011-05-06T22:18:39Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > \ > I point you to the vast difference between myself and ascenray, who both call ourselves Hindus. If we can be so different, why the hell wouldn’t Muslims be just as varied? > > We won’t even mention the gazillion sects of Christianity. It would be like saying “those damn Christians, speaking in tongues like they do.” All the Christians would be all “That’s just the Pentacostals; what the fuck are you on, man?” > > That’s what it feels like sometimes. Of course, a good number of the Pentecostals would claim that the non-glossalians are not true Christians because they don’t speak in tongues, and several sects of of the non-glossalians would claim that Pentecostals are not Christians for entirely different reasons. Protestants especially are very…tribal. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723/60 "2011-05-10T19:07:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > [This blogger](http://muslimsareterrorists.wordpress.com/) has a … different … take on this story. Damn, I need a long shower after looking at that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crappy-teacher-mocking-muslim-student/580723.md?page=4)