# Another Crazy Ass Witch Arrested **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685 "2009-06-13T20:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/41 "2009-06-15T18:58:37Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > It’s like a Ditch Witch, but for your ass. > > Duh. Ouch! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/42 "2009-06-15T19:52:57Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Goddess knows there’s enough crazy-ass Wiccans out there. Pretty much by definition. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/43 "2009-06-15T20:01:11Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Pretty much by definition. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/44 "2009-06-15T20:20:59Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Monthlies. Yeah, and then I started over-thinking it, trying to figure out if there were more skidmarks out there than blood-stains. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/45 "2009-06-15T20:23:38Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > Yeah, and then I started over-thinking it, trying to figure out if there were more skidmarks out there than blood-stains. Nope, because everyone capable of making blood-stains is capable of making skid-marks, but not everyone capable of making skid-marks is capable of making blood-stains. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/46 "2009-06-15T20:30:33Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Nope, because everyone capable of making blood-stains is capable of making skid-marks, but not everyone capable of making skid-marks is capable of making blood-stains. Well, that kind of depends on how hard you have to scratch to stop the itching…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/47 "2009-06-15T20:34:07Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Newt Gingrich’s ass? Could you be specific? He looks like all ass to me… ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/48 "2009-06-15T20:37:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Well, that kind of depends on how hard you have to scratch to stop the itching…:eek: :D:p:eek:😕:mad:🆒 ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/49 "2009-06-15T20:41:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Forde has a long and troubled history in Snohomish County, including juvenile convictions for felonies, prostitution and other street crime. Some of her past was recounted by The Herald in a profile that appeared Feb. 22. > [@](#): > > Pima County sheriff’s Lt. Michael O’Connor told reporters in Arizona that Raul Flores had connections to Mexican drug cartels and his involvement was known to the Drug Enforcement Agency. Sounds like both the shooter and victim were career criminals. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the real motive was more about protecting their drug turf or something of that nature than immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/50 "2009-06-15T20:49:38Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Sounds like both the shooter and victim were career criminals. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the real motive was more about protecting their drug turf or something of that nature than immigration. Maybe, but a lot of the anti-immigration people really are just that nuts. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/51 "2009-06-15T21:24:14Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I’m not getting how witchcraft was involved in this. It wasn’t witchcraft. That’s just code for bitchcraft. Or rhymes-with-richcraft. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/52 "2009-06-15T22:00:54Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Sounds like both the shooter and victim were career criminals. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the real motive was more about protecting their drug turf or something of that nature than immigration. Yeah, another 9 year old career criminal.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/53 "2009-06-15T22:38:38Z")
I think **Lavenderviolet** is talking about the adults involved. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/54 "2009-06-15T23:22:48Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Sounds like both the shooter and victim were career criminals. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the real motive was more about protecting their drug turf or something of that nature than immigration. Shawna Forde, from the Minuteman American Defense, and a couple of her pals **invaded the victims’ home**. Unless you’re saying that Forde was the dealer trying to knock off her competition, then the victims’ involvement with drugs is irrelevant. Forde probably did suspect that the people inside were dealers or illegal immigrants but what she believed is also irrelevant - she’s got no right to go barging around shooting people. The sheriff says that she wanted to steal money to upgrade her Minuteman operation. I suspect that will turn out to be correct. > [@](#): > > [cite](http://heraldnet.com/article/20090613/NEWS01/706139922) > > Raul Flores, 29, and his daughter, Brisenia, 9, were killed when a group of armed people, including a woman, forced their way into the home. The child’s mother traded gunfire with the attackers. She survived but remains hospitalized with gunshot wounds. > > Pima County officials said the intruders had been looking for the couple’s other daughter to shoot her, too, but she wasn’t home. And of course, none of this has anything to do with witches or even bitches. The title should be changed from ‘another crazy ass witch arrested’ to ‘another right-wing extremist arrested’. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/55 "2009-06-15T23:36:26Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The title should be changed from ‘another crazy ass witch arrested’ to ‘another right-wing extremist arrested’. Which, while semantically equal, is a lot clearer. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mikemike2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikemike2/32/305_2.png) [@Mikemike2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikemike2)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/56 "2009-06-16T16:35:58Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The sheriff says that she wanted to steal money to upgrade her Minuteman operation. I suspect that will turn out to be correct. So lets say Shawna did get a lot of money from her murder robbery. Do we trust her? Is she honest? Is she really going to give it all to the Minuteman American Defense, or might she convince herself that really she deserves much of it for her efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/57 "2009-06-16T17:11:11Z")
Who knows? I doubt she’s registered with Charity Navigator. The information about Shawna Forde’s right-wing extremist motives seems to come from her brother, coutesy of the _Arizona Daily Star_: [http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/297176](http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/297176) > [@](#): > > Accused ringleader Shawna Forde told her family in recent months that she had begun recruiting members of the Aryan Nations and that she planned to begin robbing drug-cartel leaders, her brother Merrill Metzger said Monday in a telephone interview from Redding, Calif. > > “She was talking about starting a revolution against the United States government,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/58 "2009-06-16T17:19:32Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Who knows? I doubt she’s registered with Charity Navigator. Pretty sure he was making a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/59 "2009-06-16T19:53:36Z")
Oh, well, I guess maybe the joke’s on me, then. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685/60 "2009-06-16T20:02:52Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > Mind you, if you dare point that out, the outcry goes up that you are an uptight feminazi, probably need a good fucking, and similar items. No, it’s usually just pointed out that you are demonstrably wrong. You’re only called an uptight feminazi when you stick to your fallacious belief despite ample evidence to the contrary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-crazy-ass-witch-arrested/499685.md?page=4)