# Another Critical Race Theory thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 4, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389 "2021-05-04T19:44:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/342 "2021-05-18T21:39:27Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Thanks, I missed that when I caught up on the thread. But it doesn’t change my mind. I _would_ like to better understand what is CRT, what is Whiteness studies, and whatever other theories play into the movement, but I don’t think there’s any chance I’ll learn that here. Based on what others report and what I saw before, I was not expecting to change your mind. What is important is that you do learn why is that what most of what the right is doing about CRT (specially in the US) is more bananas than what you can imagine. And I have to mention one important item here. One big reason I post is that I also do want to learn and to teach (why not?) about this subject in the SDMB, and it is really underwhelming when as a counter to what I found and cited a poster just replies by avoiding one of the very reasons why CRT is there in the first place. As I learned, it is clear that a caricature of it is being used as an accusation against the researchers. And because many of them are minorities too, it is really a Trump like move to ignore that what the bigoted politicians are doing is the very same thing CRT scholars are researching for, this is injustice being done by powerful groups either due to anti-intellectual or bigoted reasons. Ignorant lawmakers are then trying to control what even Universities can teach. I guess I will have to research that and someday make a paper about the history of the banning issue as it is clear that a lot of ignorance is being used to make dumb laws. One of the first steps I made when checking about this was to take a look at what the experts were telling us about the issue, then I found about the research they published. Then I noticed how painfully ignorant lawmakers were with the issue, just like I did with Climate Change in the past. What was important was to check first where CRT came from, the history of it too, and the published research. What I found out was that CRT is not just about race but includes other items and yes, they also get to be peer reviewed, enough was found by me to show that a lot of the ideas coming from the American right wing regarding CRT are coming from a similar ignorant black hole as the one Climate Change denier talking points come from. Just ignorance, and as I also realized a long time ago, racism is also ignorance; it is just that it is more concentrated and harmful. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/343 "2021-05-19T00:53:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Carlson couldn’t possibly have the voice and influence he does have if there wasn’t some seriously ingrained bigotry (and tolerance for bigotry, which is essentially the same thing) in our media and culture. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Once again you put something in quotes which isn’t a quote. While this makes your hobby of mocking CRT much easier, it makes it nearly impossible for you to demonstrate the most basic understanding of what CRT actually says. > > Needless to say, your supposed quote is a risible misunderstanding of CRT. It seems to be a pretty accurate description of how iiandyii just explained the significance of tucker carlson. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/344 "2021-05-19T00:54:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This one is even more foolish. In other threads in response to similar nonsense I’ve quoted significant sections of Ibrim X. Kendi’s works where he talks about class, sex, and sexual preference, and how they _intersect_ with race and other issues. You’re right. It’s not just race. Everything can be explained by patterns of oppression. Except model minorities. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/345 "2021-05-19T01:06:45Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Is there someplace I can find a neutral description of the main tenets of CRT? I can find some pieces on the Wikipedia page, such as: If you are asking what critical race theory actually is, you can go to law school and take a critical race theory class to understand how laws are created with the dominant group in mind so laws that say we ought to punish people for drug abuse will end up sending black people to jail for crack and laws that say we ought to help the victims of drug addiction will end up sending white opium addicts to rehabilitation centers. The concept of reasonableness is a central part of law, the reasonable man standard is frequently the standard that would feel most intuitive to a straight white male. CRT cannot form the central part of any philosphy because it is meant to critique and provide additional perspectives to more logical and rational schools of thought. It is the garlic of theories. You can add a bit of it to almost anything and bring out some flavor but isn’t much use on its own. But some other disciplines have picked it up and really run with it. Most notably in education and sociology. If you want to know what it has been distorted into you can go get an education masters. That is where you get the living caricatures that think that oppression explains everything ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/348 "2021-05-19T01:11:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My definition, briefly This is not what critical race theory is. > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Critical Race Theory, to the best of my understanding, This is a lot closer. The problem is that many of its proponents are also ideological in other ways and trying to reach certain conclusions. Critical race theory doesn’t do a very good job of explaining model minorities. These model minorities have little social power and somehow achieve success. So when the scales have to be balanced, it is often done on the backs of the politically powerless model minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/349 "2021-05-19T01:26:48Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > You’re right. It’s not just race. Everything can be explained by patterns of oppression. > Except model minorities. “Model minorities” is itself a pretty fucked up phrase. Given past experience, however, I’ll politely decline to engage with you on this subject, unless there’s another forum where I may express my thoughts more productively. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/350 "2021-05-19T01:30:36Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > It seems to be a pretty accurate description of how iiandyii just explained the significance of tucker carlson. No. Carlson, a man who makes his living by spouting racist bullshit, flourishes _because_ there’s racism in our society. That doesn’t explain everything, but it does explain his success. Another racist might flourish _despite_ their racism. It is not the flourishing of racists like Carlson that proves our society is racist. It’s a million other factors in our society that demonstrate that. However, Carlson’s success certainly provides one more piece of evidence: in a society free of racism, his racist twaddle wouldn’t be profitable. You completely misunderstand the dynamic at play, and what folks who work at antiracism are likely to say on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/351 "2021-05-19T01:33:53Z")
I won’t engage with you, but I will offer you a link: if you’re interested how a theory of systemic racism can explain attitudes toward Asian Americans, [here’s a great place to start](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/the-real-reason-americans-stopped-spitting-on-asian-americans-and-started-praising-them/). ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/352 "2021-05-19T01:42:55Z")
Gandy should know better. The law school version of crt is not what people are riled up about. The law school version of crt even makes a little bit of sense. It is the crt being taught in education and sociology departments that people have problems with. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is one big part that convinced me that a big chunk of the criticism against CRT is baseless. Without mentioning anyone, I do remember right wing critics of CRT in this message board claiming that CRT was not benefiting or was silent about Asians or other minorities, confronted with a cite from an Asian scholar using CRT that criticized China’s treatment of the Uyghurs those critics only chose to ignore the evidence of how narrow or already prejudged their views are of the CRT framework. I don’t know if you are talking about me but I am probably only right wing in a place like this. I am pro-choice, pro taxes, pro-union and I haven’t voted for a republican since Bob Dole. Does objecting to the philosophies that support discrimination against asians make me right wing? CRT pretty much ignores model minorities. It has no use for us. It does provide a gloss on how a society could pass legislation like the chinese exclusion act and affirms that racism also exists against asians but that isn’t particularly useful. There is in fact no real developed asian crt beyond the category of “white people are racist against asians too” CRT has a very hard time explaining the success of asians and jews. And so it adherents frequently just lump them in as some sort of third party beneficiaries of white supremacy and try to ignore the racism that these model minorities face from both the left and the right. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/353 "2021-05-19T01:44:32Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > It is the crt being taught in education and sociology departments that people have problems with. …can you be specific here? Which education and sociology departments are teaching CRT? ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/354 "2021-05-19T01:47:25Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No she doesn’t. She seems to be claiming that anything taught outside of law schools is really just anti-racism so the folks who are opposing crt outside of law schools are really just defending racism. Of course that assumes that anti-racism is actually anti-racist. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/355 "2021-05-19T02:30:02Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > I don’t know if you are talking about me but I am probably only right wing in a place like this. I am pro-choice, pro taxes, pro-union and I haven’t voted for a republican since Bob Dole. Does objecting to the philosophies that support discrimination against asians make me right wing? The insinuation is wrong, for two reasons, one was that virtually no evidence was presented that CRT scholars were involved in the decisions schools and colleges made about who to admit; and second: the issue was about diversity and some Asians and very bigoted whites that funded the lawsuits did choose to discriminate against Blacks and Hispanics or not care at all about those groups being left almost completely out. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > CRT pretty much ignores model minorities. It has no use for us. It does provide a gloss on how a society could pass legislation like the chinese exclusion act and affirms that racism also exists against asians but that isn’t particularly useful. What I do remember is that when cites were made from an Asian scholars agreeing with me you never presented evidence against their claims you only expected that the fallacy of shooting the messenger would be enough to dismiss the arguments. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > CRT has a very hard time explaining the success of asians and jews. And so it adherents frequently just lump them in as some sort of third party beneficiaries of white supremacy and try to ignore the racism that these model minorities face from both the left and the right. This is really just wrong. [https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/63048/297\_ftp.pdf;sequence=1](https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/63048/297_ftp.pdf;sequence=1) And already I already cited a Jewish scholar that shows how limited your criticism is here. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/356 "2021-05-19T03:43:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your straw-man version of CRT is definitely horrible and repulsive. I think some people are confusing progressive ideology with crt. There is a lot of overlap but the two are not congruent. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Only white people can be racist because racism = prejudice + power. In some places non-white people have enough political power to oppress other minorities. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I would say that you have a **very** high hill to climb to suggest an alternative diagnosis for such differences. Is a peer reviewed research sufficient? How is racism the cause of asian academic advantages over whites. [https://www.pnas.org/content/111/23/8416](https://www.pnas.org/content/111/23/8416) > [@asahi](#): > > What I’m saying is, understand that we all inherit the legacy of apartheid You know the world is not just black and white. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > point being that CRT is not really just for leftists as some on the right are painting it. It actually is. There is a very ideological element to it. That may be why you are juxtaposing crt with “the right” And by “the right” you mean moderate liberals. > [@TriPolar](#): > > When have we not taken a critical look at it or not tried to do something about it? There is nothing new here except the silly name. Well, that silly name is giving an aura of legitimacy to fairly undisciplined thinking about race. It allows people to arbitrarily take admissions away from asians and give them to mostly white kids and call it justice because it incrementally increases the number of black and hispanic kids. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > But according to CRT racism is also thinking that math problems have correct answers Thinking math problems have correct answers is not considered racist. Who is getting the correct answers versus the wrong answers is considered racist and rather than getting rid of the root cause of why some groups get the wrong answer so much more frequently, they are getting rid of the math. It’s almost like they don’t think that they can fix the root problem. This is the basic underlying premise behind the move to get rid of standardized testing. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > There are two types of people who have heard of critical race theory. Those who discuss it academically, and those who hear about it by those who oppose it. So then the people who oppose it are either academics or heard it from an academic? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > it is made to discourage whites that are sympathetic to minorities, just like when old fashion racists called supporters of blacks or other minorities “N\*\*\*\* lovers”. Or it is a plea for the far left to step away from the edge. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So I’ll ask again – do you have any thoughts about the substance of these ideas, particularly my explanation of CRT? It really seems like you just laid out a progressive platform on race. And not even that progressive. If CRT was limited to what you said then I don’t see why there is an argument between liberals and woke sjws. And that is really what crt is in practice these days, the philosophy of the woke sjw. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > because truly just and fair institutions and systems Can you identify such an institution or system? I am trying to see what you think the end goal looks like. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > So, with that cleared up, I would ask the CRT proponents - is this a falsifiable theory? Can you conceive of a potential arrangement of facts that would demonstrate that CRT is not true? How about if a non-white minority group achieved greater success in american society than white people? Because it clearly cannot be because they worked harder, all groups are equally diligent. How dare you imply that black people are lazy, that’s a racist thing to imply. The racial profile of the student body at places like stuyvesant and tjhsst should reflect the racial profile of the pool of students from which it draws and any significant deviation from this can only be the result of racism. > [@Kimstu](#): > > This is the thing about so many anti-CRT-type ideologues: they overwhelmingly seem to perceive this type of analysis and criticism as a form of societal punishment, and their refrain is “Punish the black people INSTEAD OF us!” As an anti-CRT type, I think the black people have endured enough. Can we punish white people instead? > [@Kimstu](#): > > But I’m constantly coming across anti-CRT white people effectively trying to deflect all the responsibility for fixing societal racism away from white society and onto black society. A lot of pro-crt folks trying to deflect a lot of the burden for fixing racism away from white people and onto asians. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, you can go to China to see that the researchers This is kind of a dumb line of reasoning. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Falsifying CRT is trivial - come up with an alternative explanation for the observed racial disparities _other than White supremacy_ , and prove it. I don’t think it falsifies crt but how does white supremacy explain how asians are doing better academically than whites? > [@Gyrate](#): > > You realize, of course, that the usual “alternative explanation” offered up is simply that black people really are intellectually inferior and naturally prone to criminality and moral bankruptcy. Can you cite someone who has said that in the last couple of years? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > the CRT framework is not just about white privilege, it can criticize just about any group that is using their position of power to keep other groups marginalized. Sure it can be used for all sorts of things. But this is not what it mostly does. Mostly it is about white supremacy, black oppression and little else. I can dig up 2 articles on crt that are about white supremacy or black oppression (maybe hispanic oppression too), for every one that you can cite about anythign else. crt is pretty focused on the black white dynamic. Everything else is more or less the exceptions that prove the rule. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > The origin of the CRT hostility to Jews is several-fold, but its primary cause is the absorption of pre-existing trends in black nationalist politics into the current CRT movement, and of course those ideas can never be wrong (that’s criticizing black culture, which is racist). crt has always had trouble with model minorities. Nobody likes it when they blow the curve. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Curious, I Googled “Ibrim X. Kendi antisemitism.” I thought Derrick bell was supposed to be the anti-semetic crt guy. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think the most critical foundation of CRT is that white supremacy and racism in America didn’t happen by accident I am not familiar with the conspiracy theory element of crt. For the most part racial supremacy (white or otherwise) is the almost inevitable result of an unenlightened dominant group. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, yeah, keep pushing that narrative that [Asians haven’t been instrumental](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_Matsuda) in developing CRT from the get-go. It’s just a Black thing, suuuure. OK so what asian gloss did mari matsuda add to crtical race theory at the get-go? I know mari matsuda, I met her in the 1990s, she seemed much more concerned with crt and feminism than the asian aspects of crt. But perhaps this was after she did all her work on asian crt. Do you have a cite for her asian crt from the get-go? Or was she just an asian woman involved in crt rather than a representative of her race in the crt discussion from the get-go? > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > You might want to rethink your opinion on the existence of mustache-twirling villains, at least on the state level. White supremacy was not intentional at the get go. It didn’t have to be. Everyone was a white supremacist, they just called it being american. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ibrim X. Kendi writes pretty extensively about the history of the idea of race, Stamped from the beginning. A much better book that how to be an anti-racist. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > As the research paper from Rwanda showed, you don’t know what you are talking about still. How is that relevant? CRT is absolutely a product of us culture. The french recently banned that aspect of our culture. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Even having read some Kendi, I’m not 100% sure I could state what the core “beliefs” of CRT are And yet you spend so much time defending it. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not interested in this weird point-scoring or whatever. I’ve said a lot about CRT; you’ve responded to very little of it – appears to me you’re just trying to poke holes rather than engage Seems like there isn’t so much hole poking as there is hole pointing out. > [@RickJay](#): > > I have never, ever seen a critic of CRT who knew what CRT is or who had done any actual study of it at all. I studied it in law school. I have encountered few people on either side of the debate who knows what crt is. I can name a fairly long list of critics of crt that probably understand it much much better than anyone on this site. Mostly legal academics that criticized it until it became synonymous with wokness. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/357 "2021-05-19T03:58:14Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > This is kind of a dumb line of reasoning. It was responding in kind to the other poster. Most would get the sarcasm, in reality he like you does not bother to falsify what the scholar reported. I will not expect any efforts either from the critics of CRT to falsify what the researchers reported about Rwanda when it is clear that it can be. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/358 "2021-05-19T04:01:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > He’s done no such thing. He literally said he providing his own definition at around post 22. > [@DemonTree](#): > > I don’t think the article I posted was from a right-wing perspective. It was a parent’s concerns seeing what was being taught to her children. Right wing is relative. Perhaps a lot of things are right wing to some posters. > [@DemonTree](#): > > Now maybe the issue is that not every member of the movement agrees with these and other ideas, so they can’t be definitively said to be part of CRT. But IMHO beliefs that are widely held or held by influential people are still very relevant to the debate. CRT moved waaaaay beyond this once the folks in the sociology and education departments got a hold of it. Suddenly racism was able to explain all the things that they could not explain. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ve been saying for years on this board that Black Americans do indeed generally have special insight into the treatment of Black Americans in America, And do asian americans have special insight into the treatment of asian americans in america? Is it possible that the advances that you seek for blacks are the result of a “convergence of interests” due to whites suddenly being underrepresented at good schools? Isn’t it a little convenient that this social justice seems to be coming mostly from a non-white group with a considerable benefit going to whites? ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/359 "2021-05-19T04:09:31Z")
If you can’t express yourself productively here I don’t know if you can do it anywhere. But thanks for letting me know. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You completely misunderstand the dynamic at play, and what folks who work at antiracism are likely to say on the subject. I can predict what “anti-racists” have to say on pretty much any topic as easily as i can predict what peta members will say on any topic. They will find some way that animal rights is involved and harp on that. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I won’t engage with you, but I will offer you a link: if you’re interested how a theory of systemic racism can explain attitudes toward Asian Americans, [here’s a great place to start](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/the-real-reason-americans-stopped-spitting-on-asian-americans-and-started-praising-them/). There is a paywall but I am going to guess its some rehashing of the Atlantic article. The difference in asian achievement preceded the "model minority status, not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/360 "2021-05-19T04:11:06Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > If you can’t express yourself productively here I don’t know if you can do it anywhere. That’s nice. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/361 "2021-05-19T04:13:53Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > I studied it in law school. I have encountered few people on either side of the debate who knows what crt is. I can name a fairly long list of critics of crt that probably understand it much much better than anyone on this site. Mostly legal academics that criticized it until it became synonymous with wokness. The ABA does not see it as bad as the few critics want to paint it. [https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human\_rights\_magazine\_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/](https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/) And again, repeating “woke” as an insult is not working for what you want, it only continues to identify the ones that are falling for right wing propaganda while claiming to be aware of not falling for it. > **[The Conservatives have been waging their ‘war on woke’ for decades | Evan Smith](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/21/conservatives-war-on-woke-loony-left-political-correctness)** > > From the ‘loony left’ to ‘political correctness gone mad’, the right has long whipped up moral panic about activists, says historian Evan Smith > **[Republicans are crusading against 'wokeness'](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-are-crusading-against-woke-n1264811)** > > Yet lawmakers and operatives who spoke to NBC News varied in how they define the idea, while others said they didn't know much about "wokeness" at all. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/362 "2021-05-19T04:18:30Z")
No point responding to Damuri Ajashi who’s doing little more than saying I’m wrong without actually saying how or why. On the one thing he’s actually brought up some sort of real depth for - supposed model minorities - I haven’t said anything about, and whether they exist or not doesn’t dispute anything I’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/363 "2021-05-19T04:20:00Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > CRT moved waaaaay beyond this once the folks in the sociology and education departments got a hold of it. Suddenly racism was able to explain all the things that they could not explain. And this is wrong as it was shown already with cites in this thread, racism is not the only item that the CRT framework can be applied to, nor other items ignored to find out what the powerful are doing to repressed minorities or groups. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389.md?page=19)