# Another Critical Race Theory thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 4, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389 "2021-05-04T19:44:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/404 "2021-05-19T14:36:56Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > When they are only achievable by holding some people back. Which is not something that anybody is proposing, so that’s OK, then. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/405 "2021-05-19T14:51:14Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I guess you’re the wrong person to ask if any of this is constitutional. Isn’t it opposed to free speech? A school board or state legislature in in a position to set curriculum, after all. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/406 "2021-05-19T15:09:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Which is not something that anybody is proposing, so that’s OK, then. Yes it is; some school boards in the US are planning to cancel gifted and talented programs. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/407 "2021-05-19T15:34:21Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > When they are only achievable by holding some people back. The best outcome is everyone being able to realise their potential, not everyone getting the same score on each exam or running the race in the same time. In a previous discussion it was noted that it was clear that a recent accusation of a teacher giving “the same score” to a black student was a feverish invention from right wing media sources. AFAICR, the teacher did not give the complaining black student a chance to get a better grade, the teacher was in hot water for the unprofessional reply he gave to that black student in denying his petition. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/408 "2021-05-19T15:37:25Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Yes it is; some school boards in the US are planning to cancel gifted and talented programs. In previous discussions it was clear that to make a lot of that possible it does include efforts to first improve all the curriculum to the whole population of students. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/409 "2021-05-19T15:39:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > In a previous discussion it was noted that it was clear that a recent accusation of a teacher giving “the same score” to a black student was a feverish invention from right wing media sources. Not sure what you’re referring to here. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/410 "2021-05-19T15:43:43Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > They’re not banned anymore, that’s from Trump’s EO, which Biden repealed. There you go again ignoring what was posted in this thread. Many white Republican politicians are banning CRT just because they believe the Orwellian talking points that CRT scholars are in favor of the banned items when that is not the case. This time at state levels, but I have seen reports of Republicans in congress trying to pass the same “slavery is freedom” invented arguments against CRT. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/411 "2021-05-19T15:44:45Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Not sure what you’re referring to here. Basically that you are still accepting the exaggerations or misleading information from right wing sources of information. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/412 "2021-05-19T15:55:03Z")
No longer getting a _privilege_ is not the same as holding someone back. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/413 "2021-05-19T16:14:24Z")
Education shouldn’t be a privilege. It should be like someone said, that each kid should get one year’s education for each year in school. Did you get that? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/414 "2021-05-19T16:18:31Z")
Show us where they’re no longer getting an education. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/415 "2021-05-19T16:42:28Z")
**Warning** for @DemonTree for ignoring modnote in this thread about this subject. A modnote to you in fact. Following a Topic ban for another poster for this tired old subject. > [@Another Critical Race Theory thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/175): > > Modnote: Please keep posts on Topic. Your post has nothing to do with the post you’re replying to or CRT. Please do not do this again. To everyone else, please do not reply any further to this and future off-topic posts. This is just a guidance, not a warning. Nothing on your permanent record. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/416 "2021-05-19T16:47:25Z")
So I’m the one that said that, and – and oh shit I just saw that mod note, editing away the rest of my post posthaste! ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/417 "2021-05-19T16:58:04Z")
So my issue isn’t with Critical Race Theory…its that marginalization and systemic bias happens across many axises. It isn’t all about racism and colonization…its also about gender politics and ableism and classism. Its the urban elite vs. the merely urban, vs. the rural. And the intersectionality of all these things - that a poor black lesbian Muslim women has the deck stacked against her exponentially compared to a wealthy straight white Christian man needs to be understood. When we teach to CRT we teach that race is the part of this that matters…and it does. But it far more complicated than that. And addressing a fraction of the problem is nice, but its really insufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/418 "2021-05-19T16:59:45Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > When we teach to CRT we teach that race is the part of this that matters…and it does. But it far more complicated than that. And addressing a fraction of the problem is nice, but its really insufficient. I agree with you, but I’m also unaware of anyone who studies CRT who disagrees with you. “Black Lives Matter” doesn’t mean that women’s lives don’t matter, and critical race theory doesn’t mean that feminism is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/419 "2021-05-19T16:59:52Z")
In my understanding these aspects and considerations are an integral part of CRT, not separate from it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/421 "2021-05-19T17:27:10Z")
Pero no me gusta el Spam! (But I don’t like spam, reported) ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/422 "2021-05-19T17:37:15Z")
By definition, if you are calling it Critical RACE theory, you are centering Race - not gender or class or geography or anything else. The 1980s feminist in me is going to call you out on that. And the 1980s feminist in me also knows how fast gender issues get thrown under the bus so we can talk about something “more important.” ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/423 "2021-05-19T17:42:01Z")
And I may be a little testy about this today. I was reading about the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s in Europe this morning. In an effort to liberate the working class and make sex more freely available to all, Sweden’s liberals tried to decriminalize RAPE in 1976. In other words, the way to address class problems in Sweden was to make sure that the lower classes could have sexual access to women on par with the upper classes. Its like an incel’s dream. And a case where in trying to address class disparity (a worthwhile goal) a woman’s control of her own body was questioned. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/424 "2021-05-19T17:46:49Z")
Things like critical race feminism and disability critical race studies look at exactly those kinds of intersectional areas. Plus there are vanilla flavours of those without the CRT aspect. And of course even CRT subfields like AsianCrit and LatCrit look at some areas that aren’t generally of concern to African Americans, like immigration and second-language issues. It’s a big sandbox. > [@Dangerosa](#): > > By definition, if you are calling it Critical RACE theory, you are centering Race But if I focus on Critical Race Feminism, what am I centering? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389.md?page=22)