# Another example of a New Yorker thinking they are the center of the Universe **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 25, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361 "2016-06-25T22:37:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellis_Aponte_Jr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/21 "2016-06-26T04:20:43Z")
I was in South Florida when that record came out and I can assure you it was very big down there. In fact it had a reverberating influence because a lot of the freestyle dance acts of the 1980s used the “Planet Rock” beat or some variation of it on their records. By the way, the #48 chart position was on Billboard’s Pop chart (Hot 100), and looking at that alone underplays the actual impact of the record. On Billboard’s R&B chart it went to #4 and stayed on the chart for 17 weeks. On the Billboard Dance chart it went to #3 and stayed for 20 weeks (about five months, highly unusual). ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/22 "2016-06-26T06:46:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Do bodegas still have salad bars? I remember when I was visiting NYC back in the eighties and nineties and I wanted a cheap meal, I would stop in a random bodega and they’d usually have a good salad bar. You got a plastic carton, filled it with the stuff you wanted, and then paid for how much it weighed. I see salad bars like this upstate in supermarkets but NYC was the only place where I saw them regularly in little local stores. You’re lucky you’re still alive. Those places were notorious for leaving the food out \*forever, \*until some dumb shmuck (usually a tourist) bought it, no matter how fur-encrusted it had grown. And I once saw a homeless guy take an entire hard-boiled egg, put it into his mouth, then take it out and replace it. And don’t get me started on the hot food bars, with the food left out all day and night, until it was dry and burnt . . . and still for sale at an outrageous price. And did you check out the items in the rest of the store? Like the dusty canned goods with faded labels, that had been expired for years? They did have great produce though . . . at an outrageous price (whatever didn’t sell, and had gone bad, was recycled into the salad bar). Or the apples that had been given a spit shine. Literally. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/23 "2016-06-26T11:10:49Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m pretty sure I’ve seen people putting butter on dinner rolls outside New York. > [@TriPolar](#): > > Now, sure. But it started there. Coulda sworn Unca Cecil taught me nearly thirty years ago that it originated in Florence, Italy (or whichever of those city-states Leonardo Da Vinci was charged with the defense of). ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/24 "2016-06-26T13:25:43Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Why do you hate Coney Island? And why are you thanking God for never being on the beach? Seriously, why are you thanking God for never having to frequent places I went. That’s pretty rude. FWIW, I read his comment as “I don’t like that kind of music,” not as “I hate **Biggirl**.” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/25 "2016-06-26T13:37:40Z")
> [@tenacious\_j](#): > > As usual for these types of list, that’s bull. Gyros are a New York thing? And deli cold cut sandwiches? Yeah, Show me yer Milwaukee bialy, buster. Those two struck me as funny choices, too. The cold cut sandwich should have been an Italian hero, for which you need to go specifically to a good Italian deli. With variations, it’s capicola, Genoa salami, mortadella, provolone, and either tomato or marinated peppers on a long roll with oil and vinegar. Gyros – I’ve had better gyros in Chicago. In NY it’s usually called “souvlaki,” anyway. While they’re all the same thing (pressed chopped meat on a vertical revolving spit) it think the nomenclature depends on the ethnicity of the restaurateur. Greek: gyro Lebanese or Egyptian: souvlaki Turkish: doner In Western Europe you see mostly doner, because of all the Turks, and they put it on big soft rolls. In the U.S., the meat is stuffed into pita bread along with tomato, lettuce, and either tahini dressing or yogurt-cucumber dressing. Raw onions and hot sauce on request. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/26 "2016-06-26T13:52:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s not a dinner roll. It’s a [large roll with a harder crust and soft center](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/e7/7e/57e77e26a8243398fbb781ec2dbdf3e3.jpg) eaten for breakfast with a cup of regular (that is, with milk and sugar) coffee. And that’s _for_ breakfast, not _with_ breakfast. Regular coffee = coffee + milk + sugar is a Rhode Island thing. You guys stole our culture!! ---
**Author:** ![Myglaren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Myglaren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myglaren)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/27 "2016-06-26T14:15:05Z")
Never hear Planet Rock although have heard it mentioned somewhere. UK resident. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/28 "2016-06-26T17:29:33Z")
You eat buttered hamburger buns for breakfast in New York? Huh! that’s a new one for me. Yes, as a matter of fact where I live a Kaiser roll is a hamburger bun. No wait, looking at the linked provided by Colibri does NOT show a Kaiser roll as Loach named it ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/29 "2016-06-26T17:41:58Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Yeah, Show me yer Milwaukee bialy, buster. > > Those two struck me as funny choices, too. The cold cut sandwich should have been an Italian hero, for which you need to go specifically to a good Italian deli. With variations, it’s capicola, Genoa salami, mortadella, provolone, and either tomato or marinated peppers on a long roll with oil and vinegar. > > Gyros – I’ve had better gyros in Chicago. In NY it’s usually called “souvlaki,” anyway. While they’re all the same thing (pressed chopped meat on a vertical revolving spit) it think the nomenclature depends on the ethnicity of the restaurateur. > > Greek: gyro > Lebanese or Egyptian: souvlaki > Turkish: doner > > In Western Europe you see mostly doner, because of all the Turks, and they put it on big soft rolls. In the U.S., the meat is stuffed into pita bread along with tomato, lettuce, and either tahini dressing or yogurt-cucumber dressing. Raw onions and hot sauce on request. Souvlaki is Greek. It means it’s actual sliced lamb. Gyros is also Greek but it means it’s just a big meatloaf on a spit. I’ve had Souvlaki in a little shop on Crete a long time ago. Therefore I would never order Gyros anywhere. PS: When I first heard Planet Rock I probably just thought it was someone using Kraftwerk music to make a pop record, which I would not have been as interested in as a freshly composed piece. It’s just my prejudices I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/30 "2016-06-26T17:46:54Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > You eat buttered hamburger buns for breakfast in New York? Huh! that’s a new one for me. > Yes, as a matter of fact where I live a Kaiser roll is a hamburger bun. > > No wait, looking at the linked provided by Colibri does NOT show a Kaiser roll as Loach named it Yes, New York buttered rolls are often what would be called a [Kaiser roll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_roll), aka a hard roll. They have a hard crust and a chewy center, and are often topped with poppy seeds or sometimes sesame seeds. Many places serve hamburgers on what they call Kaiser rolls, but these are somewhat different from a New York breakfast roll. In particular, the crust is much softer. If you served a hamburger on a New York hard roll you would scrape your palate. They’re best eaten by themselves, especially dunked in coffee to soften the crust. Growing up in the Bronx in the 1950s one of my fondest memories of Sundays was stopping off at the Italian bakery after mass and buying rolls for breakfast. (Catholics are supposed to fast before taking communion so we wouldn’t have breakfast until after mass.) There would always be a line, since everyone else was doing the same thing. I would usually have a couple of poppy-seed rolls and an onion roll. Sometimes we would also get [crullers](https://uptowncooks.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/crullers-090a11.jpg) or [lemon sweet buns](http://www.lehibakery.com/uploads/2/5/6/9/25694040/6311617_orig.jpg?427). Alas, the neighborhood has changed and it’s become impossible to find the right kind of rolls anymore. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/31 "2016-06-26T17:50:55Z")
So is a Bulkie Roll the same as a Kaiser Roll? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/32 "2016-06-26T17:54:04Z")
Yeah, I think “Bulkie roll” is what they call “Kaiser rolls” in southern New England. Like they call a “hero” a “grinder” – what 90% of the rest of America calls a “submarine sandwich.” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/33 "2016-06-26T18:00:02Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > FWIW, I read his comment as “I don’t like that kind of music,” not as “I hate **Biggirl**.” I read it more like “I don’t like that music or those low-brow places you hung out in” but I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say he only came into the thread to insult that music and not me too. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/34 "2016-06-26T18:13:42Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I read it more like “I don’t like that music or those low-brow places you hung out in” but I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say he only came into the thread to insult that music and not me too. So why do you hate Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center? Why didn’t you hang out at the Met or MoMA? The girl ain’t got no cul-chuh. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/35 "2016-06-26T18:14:22Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > So is a Bulkie Roll the same as a Kaiser Roll? Bulkie rolls have a soft crust. Kaiser rolls have a hard crust, which can vary from a little crispy to somewhat thick and crunchy. The crust of a bulkie roll is thin and and soft, barely there. The terms get intermixed somewhat since they both refer to a round sandwich roll. I don’t know when buttered rolls for breakfast started in New York, they were a thing in Philadelphia in the 70s. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/36 "2016-06-26T18:16:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Regular coffee = coffee + milk + sugar is a Rhode Island thing. You guys stole our culture!! They didn’t steal our Coffeemilk though. We leave it out and unlocked and no one will steal it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/37 "2016-06-26T18:21:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I read it more like “I don’t like that music or those low-brow places you hung out in” but I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say he only came into the thread to insult that music and not me too. Sorry, I meant only I didn’t like the song. I don’t go to places that play that kind of music, but I’m quite comfortable with “low-brow” places. In fact, I always assumed the “better” and more trendy clubs played music such as this. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/38 "2016-06-26T18:22:11Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Yeah, I think “Bulkie roll” is what they call “Kaiser rolls” in southern New England. > > Like they call a “hero” a “grinder” – what 90% of the rest of America calls a “submarine sandwich.” I’m confused by your sentence structure. In MA it’s a sub. In N.O. it’s a poboy. What is the sandwich taxonomy map? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/39 "2016-06-26T18:32:51Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I’m confused by your sentence structure. In MA it’s a sub. In N.O. it’s a poboy. What is the sandwich taxonomy map? In Boston in the '70s it was a grinder. They also had ‘cheese pizzas’. Which was a just a pizza. I always asked my dad if you ask for just a pizza do they serve you only the crust? But I guess a cheese pizza was better than a garbage pizza-- also very popular in Boston at the time. Yes please, cheese and no garbage, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361/40 "2016-06-26T18:44:19Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I’m confused by your sentence structure. In MA it’s a sub. In N.O. it’s a poboy. What is the sandwich taxonomy map? There have been threads on this, hoagies, grinders, heroes, subs, po’boys, Dagwoods, combos, wedges, and more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-a-new-yorker-thinking-they-are-the-center-of-the-universe/758361.md?page=3)