# Another Example of Atheists Destroying Christian's Rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555 "2012-05-30T16:52:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/501 "2012-06-04T21:28:45Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > The fact is that atheists detest Christianity to the point that they want it scrubbed from any public view. As long as Christians stay silent, you’ll get your wish. First of all, yes. Absolutely. We doth detest Christianity so. Like we doth detest all other religions. It doesn’t matter that the message was Christian, Hindu, Muslim or Taoist. We hate it equally. When it sits on the wall of a public building. And you’re right, we want it scrubbed, we truly do, but not from public _view_. From public buildings. We’ve told you many times already, **we don’t give a shit if you put it on a billboard** \*\* right outside the school\*\*. As long as its on private ground and there is no possible confusion, as long as no one can possibly think “this is a government endorsed message”, then your god bothering is… well, it’s still pretty annoying, I’ll be honest. But you still have every right to push it. There. Not here. Because here is not the same as there. Get it ? Got it ? Good. EDIT: PS: you still have not elucidated to me why this little girl “had the right to ignore” the banner, but your congregation doesn’t exercise its “right to ignore” gay people in its midst. I’d really like a heads up on that front. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/502 "2012-06-04T21:48:54Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > How many of these alleged “Christians” threatened the life of the lone atheist girl and demanded her silence? It’s okay - she has the right to ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/503 "2012-06-04T21:50:00Z")
She should have known better than to assert that she has rights, too. She belongs to a minority group and minority groups have fewer rights. It’s right there in the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/504 "2012-06-04T22:34:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The views of the majority have no bearing on whether or not something is Constitutional. That’s sort of why the Bill of Rights exists. The Bill of Rights, like the rest of the Constitution is open to varying interpretations. The Supreme Court has used the First Amendment to prohibit most restrictions on corporate financing of campaigns. I certainly do think that is unfortunate. The Tenth Amendment says, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” This could be used to overturn most of the economic, environmental, and civil rights legislation passed during the twentieth century. If you do not think that is possible, think of what the Supreme Court will look like if Mitt Romney is elected and reelected with Republican majorities in the Senate to confirm anyone Romney nominates to the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/505 "2012-06-04T23:26:09Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Can you prove that there isn’t a tea pot orbiting the earth between Earth and Mars? It is too small to be seen with any microscope. If it’s smaller than microscopic, I’m not sure we can really call it a tea pot. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/506 "2012-06-04T23:34:45Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > You and your ilk come of as raging hypocrites precisely because you demand rights and priviledges that you will not afford to others, and are quite well prepared to threaten violence and death to get them. > > In that you are no less delusional and dangerous than radical muslims. Let’s try to keep this discussion in the third person. There is already enough hostility floating around on the topic without pointing fingers directly at specific posters. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/507 "2012-06-04T23:35:09Z")
Unless it is composed of tea molecules. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/508 "2012-06-04T23:40:34Z")
It was documented as a “tea pot” in a previous Millennium, by dead people…if you do not see it for what it is, or feel the warming in your heart it is only because you are not looking close enough. Earl Russell, OM, FRS said so…and he is dead with lots of letters behind his name. But I would be open to any evidence you have that prove it is instead a coffee cone. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/509 "2012-06-04T23:44:55Z")
You’re entirely right, **tomndebb**. My apologies to all including GEEPERS. This is just a very sore subject with me. So called Christians who have no problem threatening violence and death upon people who they feel threaten their perceived cultural dominance while at the same time railing about those evil mooslims who are… wait for it… threatening violence and death upon people who they feel threaten their culture. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/510 "2012-06-04T23:58:25Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Proof that God is imaginary? Can you prove it? No?? I don’t need to; it’s the job of someone claiming something exists to provide evidence for it, not mine to prove a negative. And given that the claims made about God wildly contradict physical laws and in most cases are logically contradictory, God has been disproven as much as anything can be. Believers just demand a special-for-religion, impossible standard of proof, because otherwise they’d be admitting they follow a delusion. > [@GEEPERS](#): > > The fact is that atheists detest Christianity to the point that they want it scrubbed from any public view. As long as Christians stay silent, you’ll get your wish. :rolleyes: Silent is the last things Christians are. Like the flu virus compels people to cough in order to spread it, Christians feel compelled to cough up their religion on everyone who passes in order to spread\* their\* disease. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/511 "2012-06-05T00:01:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I don’t need to; it’s the job of someone claiming something exists to provide evidence for it, not mine to prove a negative. Forget it Jake, it’s Jesustown. She already said logical fallacies are a cop-out. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/512 "2012-06-05T00:57:20Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > It’s not that black and white. The problem is atheists and the ACLU have reinterpreted the Establishment Clause to meet their agenda. The clause was designed to prevent governments from declaring an official religion. > “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” > > The school did not make any law forcing students to recite the prayer. > > OTOH, atheists have now prohited students from seeing the banner. It’s unconstitutional, unjust, and un-American. You keep making the same arguments and objections over and over, no matter how it’s explained that your position doesn’t hold any water. An entire thread was devoted to honestly explaining to you how atheists don’t threaten you, Christianity, or the country, and you just unthinkingly waved it away with the same tired dogma. Even when Christians disagree with you, you blindly refute them. That kind of intellectual intransigence, in light of the guaranteed religious freedom that you enjoy, is really hard to fathom. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/513 "2012-06-05T01:21:23Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Even when Christians disagree with you, you blindly refute them. Well, no _true_ Christian disagreed with him. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/514 "2012-06-05T01:46:40Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > It’s not that black and white. The problem is atheists and the ACLU have reinterpreted the Establishment Clause to meet their agenda. The clause was designed to prevent governments from declaring an official religion. > “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” > > The school did not make any law forcing students to recite the prayer. > > OTOH, atheists have now prohited students from seeing the banner. It’s unconstitutional, unjust, and un-American. OMG!!! That’s awful. They prohibited kids from seeing it. I thought they just had to remove it. I thought that maybe they could give it to someone to take home or hang it in a church or business, but those bastards actually _prohibited them_ from seeing it. What’s the penalty for viewing it? Is it civil or criminal? Please post a link so that we can contribute to the defense of anyone who is arrested for displaying or viewing the banner. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/515 "2012-06-05T01:52:52Z")
Nah, they just put up one of these; [http://www.funnysigns.net/its-a-trap/](http://www.funnysigns.net/its-a-trap/) ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/516 "2012-06-05T02:34:05Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Allah has 100 names. The 100th is unknown to man. The list is here [Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam) > > None of them are “heavenly father”. That might be the 100th name though. The Qur’an is emphatic about Allah not being a father. However, at times Prophet Muhammad and Jalal al-Din Rumi spoke of Allah as mother. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/517 "2012-06-05T02:56:13Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You are pretty ignorant about Christians if you think your examples represents most churches . I didn’t say or imply anything like that. I’m not the one making foolish generalizations about a group of people. That would be you. Sounds a bit judgemental when you do it btw. I’m actually quite familiar with Christianity and the NT. > [@](#): > > Many Christian leaders including the Southern Baptist Convention publically condemned the NC pastor’s remarks about gays. Great, but he’s not the only one making hateful remarks in the name of Jesus is he? I’ll ad another. Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, who is claiming it’s only right to discriminate agasint homosexual behaviour because it’s dangerous to society like drunk drivers, or wife beaters , or murderers. I remember Jimmy Swaggart making a joke about killing a gay man and his congregation clapping. > [@](#): > > Christians do a lot of good work with mission work and helping the needy especially the Salvation Army. This organization helps anyone in need, gay or straight. You think the world is better off with the Salvation Army? I know lots of great people who are Christians. I’m related to some of them. I know there are many Christians out there doing good work helping others. I also know there are many hateful jerks who are Christians. Christians are just people, some good , some bad, and lots in between. Same with athiests and agnostics. Just people, some good , some bad. The point being that your remarks about Christianity being so moral and atheists offering no hope , or having no moral compass is ruined by a little thing called reality. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/518 "2012-06-05T03:19:26Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The Bill of Rights, like the rest of the Constitution is open to varying interpretations. The Supreme Court has used the First Amendment to prohibit most restrictions on corporate financing of campaigns. I certainly do think that is unfortunate. > > The Tenth Amendment says, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” > > This could be used to overturn most of the economic, environmental, and civil rights legislation passed during the twentieth century. If you do not think that is possible, think of what the Supreme Court will look like if Mitt Romney is elected and reelected with Republican majorities in the Senate to confirm anyone Romney nominates to the Supreme Court. Consider reading further on, to the Fourteenth Amendment. You know, the one that says states are not free to abridge the rights of U.S. citizens, and must give them the equal protection of the law? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/519 "2012-06-05T03:20:28Z")
> [@Rhodes](#): > > If it’s smaller than microscopic, I’m not sure we can really call it a tea pot. It is very very short … but exceeding stout! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/520 "2012-06-05T03:24:53Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > It’s my contention that Christians are not the evil rotten monsters that you paint them out to be. Churches certainly help their fellow man a lot more than atheists. The Salvation Army is always there in times of disasters, and they are not forcing people to listen to a sermon before they get a meal. When Katrina hit in the south, many churches did not hesistate to open their doors for shelter and food. What did atheists do? Oh that’s right, they were busy on internet forums trashing Christians. And you’re sure there weren’t any atheists helping anyone during Katrina how? Oh yeah, because your unreasoning prejudice told you so. Christianity hasn’t been trashed in this thread, but the silly generalizations you constantly make sure have been. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555.md?page=27)