# Another Example of Atheists Destroying Christian's Rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555 "2012-05-30T16:52:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/641 "2012-06-06T13:53:46Z")
… you just used conservapedia as a cite. In all seriousness. You just did that. Woah. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/642 "2012-06-06T13:54:19Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > By the way, most of us believe there is a God, and have strong reasons for our beliefs. So, the day that nonbelievers comprise 51% of the population, will you be cool with Christianity being actively suppressed? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/643 "2012-06-06T13:54:51Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > “True Christians” would not do hateful things. Okay, I can agree with that. > > How do you address people who obviously believe themselves to be “True Christians” but who feel obligated to act in a hateful manner, those who sincerely believe that The Lord wants them to be exclusionary. elitist and intolerant of others? They need to read Matthew 7:16. Hate, violence, fear, anger are not fruits of the Spirit. They are fruits of the devil. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/644 "2012-06-06T13:56:51Z")
[http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html](http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html) While important in it’s history, Joseph Story was nowhere near one of Harvard Law School’s founders. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/645 "2012-06-06T13:58:07Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > … you just used conservapedia as a cite. In all seriousness. You just did that. > > Woah. LOL, is that rule number #57 in the atheist’s guidebook to always winning the argument? “when all else fails, boldly claim that a cite is pathetically bogus”. Fine, here’s another one: > **[Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story](https://books.google.com/books/about/Supreme_Court_Justice_Joseph_Story.html?id=3oFQf1mfRSIC)** > > The primary founder and guiding spirit of the Harvard Law School and the most prolific publicist of the nineteenth century, Story served as a member of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1811 to 1845. His attitudes and goals as lawyer, politician, judge,... Let me guess, Newmyer is a misguided idiot huh? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/646 "2012-06-06T13:59:32Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > [http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html](http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html) > > While important in it’s history, Joseph Story was nowhere near one of Harvard Law School’s founders. Whatever, you are running scared from his quotes, and this is the only thing you can hang your hat on. Pathetic and lazy! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/647 "2012-06-06T14:00:09Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > If I’m wrong, prove it instead of making baseless statments like atheists usually do. > I’m not making anything up. > > [http://conservapedia.com/Joseph\_Story](http://conservapedia.com/Joseph_Story) > \*Joseph Story (1779-1845) was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court and a founder of Harvard Law School. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1811 by the so-called “Father of our Constitution,” President James Madison. \* > Now the onus is on you to prove that this website is dead wrong. Conservapedia? Seriously? [Alright then](http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html). > [@](#): > > **Founded in 1817** , Harvard Law School is the oldest continuously operating law school in the United States. > > The Law School traces its origins to Isaac Royall, who in 1781 left land from his estate in nearby Medford to Harvard University, with the proceeds intended to “endow of a Professor of Laws at said college, or a Professor of Physics and Anatomy.” Harvard took the opportunity to fund its first chair in law, and the Royall chair continues to support an HLS professor today, more than 200 years later. > > In 1806, Royall’s heirs sold the rest of his estate and used the funds to establish a school of law at Harvard University. The Royall family coat-of-arms – three stacked wheat sheaves beneath the university motto, Veritas – was adopted as the school’s shield. > > In 1827, the struggling young law school was down to only one faculty member and one student. **In this year, an enterprising alumnus stepped in to save the school by establishing the Dane Professorship of Law, and insisting that the chair be given to Joseph Story, the nation’s youngest Supreme Court justice**. Story believed in the concept of an elite American law school, based on merit and dedicated to public service: a tradition that continues today. A second critical figure in the development of the Law School arrived on the campus in the 1870s. Dean Christopher Columbus Langdell believed that the study of law should be an interactive and disciplined form of education, in which students were challenged directly by teachers, and through which they learned to analyze cases for themselves. This Socratic method of instruction demanded new teaching spaces, and Austin Hall was built on the north side of Harvard Yard to accommodate the School’s new vision. [Perhaps you’d prefer his congressional biography.](http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=S000978) > [@](#): > > Fine, here’s another one: > > [Google Books](http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=3oFQf1mfRSIC) > > Let me guess, Newmyer is a misguided idiot huh? No, but the people who write blurbs for publishers are. Feel free to find anything actually written by Newmyer that calls Story the founder of the school. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/648 "2012-06-06T14:01:18Z")
nm, ninja’d ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/649 "2012-06-06T14:01:41Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Let me guess, Newmyer is a misguided idiot huh? No, but according to the Harvard Law School itself, he is wrong. The school was established in 1817. Story didn’t come along until 10 years later. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/650 "2012-06-06T14:03:05Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Whatever, you are running scared from his quotes, and this is the only thing you can hang your hat on. Pathetic and lazy! I’m not running scared from his quotes. However, it’s important to note that his opinions, unless made as an actual judicial ruling, do not equal law. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/651 "2012-06-06T14:07:19Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > [http://conservapedia.com/Joseph\_Story](http://conservapedia.com/Joseph_Story) > > […] > > Now the onus is on you to prove that this website is dead wrong. A cite from Conservapedia - an openly biased website with a poor reputation for accuracy - rather than Wikipedia or the website of Harvard Law? You’re now forcing me to consider the possibility that you are being insincere and are just trying to get a rise out of people. You don’t want to do that. **tomndebb** pointed out to you recently that we don’t have much patience for that kind of thing. > [@Latro](#): > > Sooo, is GEEPERS himself a self-suppressed gay? Enough already. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/652 "2012-06-06T14:09:11Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > LOL, is that rule number #57 in the atheist’s guidebook to always winning the argument? “when all else fails, boldly claim that a cite is pathetically bogus”. Seriously, have you ever _read_ Conservapedia? Presumably you’re okay with [what they’ve done to the Bible](http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project) then. And with their views on, say, [dinosaurs](http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur): > [@The Trustworthy Encyclopedia](#): > > Creation science asserts that the biblical account, that dinosaurs were created on day 6 of creation approximately 6,000 years ago, along with other land animals, and therefore co-existed with humans, thus debunking the Theory of Evolution and the beliefs of evolutionary scientists about the age and creation of the earth. > > Creation science shows that dinosaurs lived in harmony with other animals, (probably including in the Garden of Eden) eating only plants; that pairs of each dinosaur kind were taken onto Noah’s Ark during the Great Flood and were preserved from drowning; that many of the fossilized dinosaur bones originated during the mass killing of the Flood; and that possibly some descendants of those dinosaurs taken aboard the Ark are still around today. I think “pathetically bogus” is a good summary. > [@cosmosdan](#): > > Christianity has never agreed on what the bible teaches [Yes but…](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0bkxkHke1qcqj1ho1_500.png) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/653 "2012-06-06T14:11:17Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What I do care about is the right of free speech. People should be allowed to follow their own choice of religion, or no religion, even in schools. They should be allowed to pray, if they want to. Some people might find that prayer inspirational. They ought to be allowed to hang up a banner. I fully support their moral right to do so. Of course religious students should be able to pray and read thier holy texts in school without being harrassed, but putting up a banner is a different issue. Ideally it might be great if everyone could put up a banner about thier particular beliefs but there must be practical and legal limits free speech. This is one of them. I’d be glad to see a wall full of banners representing a variety of belief systems but I think that’s university level not high school because sadly society isn’t mature enopugh to deal with that. > [@](#): > > But there’s this stupid selfish little child. She’s an atheist, and hates all religion. She hates it so much that she sets out to destroy other people’s rights to pray. She sues to get a simple, harmless litlle prayer taken out of her sight. She doesn’t like religion, and everyone around her must conform to her opinion. How on earth would it be possible for her to destroy people’s right to pray? I’ve watched a couple of interviews and read her blog. She’s actually an intelligent articulate and courageous teenager who stuck up for her rights and the rights of others. Do you suppose Christian students and thier parents would object to a prayer to Allah hung there, even though Allah just means God? Of course they would. > [@](#): > > I don’t pretend to know American constitutional law. Maybe she is technically within the letter of the law to do this. But she sure as hell is morally wrong. I object to this, not as an attack on Christians, but as an attack on freedom of speech. Her actions have harmed Christians, but also Jews, Buddhists and Atheists too. I disagree. she demonstrated the courage to stick up for your rights even when the majority is agasint you. That’s a positive thing. She wasn’t the only person objecting to the banner. She was the one that had the courage to keep pressing the issue because she understood the law and why it’s in place. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/654 "2012-06-06T14:16:05Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well, technically the Green Lantern is a muscular young man in ultratight spandex, who has jewelry-based powers and whose anathema is a colour. I’m not sure there ever \*was \*a “before Green Lantern was gay”. LOL,… That’s funny right there. It is pretty funny that people think buff men in brightly colored spandex will be ruined by the introduction of gayness. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/655 "2012-06-06T14:18:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A cite from Conservapedia - an openly biased website with a poor reputation for accuracy - rather than Wikipedia or the website of Harvard Law? You’re now forcing me to consider the possibility that you are being insincere and are just trying to get a rise out of people. You don’t want to do that. **tomndebb** pointed out to you recently that we don’t have much patience for that kind of thing. > Enough already. And atheist websites are not biased against Christians? I find it quite interesting that no one so far wants to address the real point of my post being the quotes of Joseph Story. If I’m wrong about Harvard Law then my references are wrong. Conservapedia was just the first one that came up. Wikipedia most certainly does recognize a strong connection with Story and Harvard Law School: _By 1827, the school, which was down to one faculty member, was struggling. An alumnus stepped in by endowing the Dane Professorship of Law and insisting that it be given to then Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story. Story’s belief in the need for an elite law school based on merit and dedicated to public service helped build the school’s reputation at the time, although the contours of these beliefs have not been consistent throughout its history. Enrollment remained low through the 19th century as university legal education was considered to be of little added benefit to apprenticeships in legal practice._ > **[Harvard Law School](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_law_school)** > > Harvard Law School (HLS) is the law school of Harvard University, a private research university in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Founded in 1817, Harvard Law School is the oldest law school in continuous operation in the United States. > Each class in the three-year JD program has approximately 560 students, which is among the largest of the top 150 ranked law schools in the United States. The first-year class is broken into seven sections of approximately 80 students, who take most first-year clas... ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/656 "2012-06-06T14:21:27Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > No, no, that’s the openly gay one. [This](http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/bigimages/hal-greenlantern.jpg)is the totes straight one 😉 Hey HEY!! Alan Scott is not the gay Green Lantern. Red and Green? NO Gay man would ever wear that, puh-leese! ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/657 "2012-06-06T14:30:18Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > If I’m wrong, prove it instead of making baseless statments like atheists usually do. > I’m not making anything up. > > [http://conservapedia.com/Joseph\_Story](http://conservapedia.com/Joseph_Story) > \*Joseph Story (1779-1845) was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court and a founder of Harvard Law School. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1811 by the so-called “Father of our Constitution,” President James Madison. \* > Now the onus is on you to prove that this website is dead wrong. [Cite –\> Harvard Law School](http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/history.html) with the bolding being mine. > [@](#): > > **Founded in 1817** , Harvard Law School is the oldest continuously operating law school in the United States. > The Law School traces its origins to Isaac Royall, who in 1781 left land from his estate in nearby Medford to Harvard University, with the proceeds intended to “endow of a Professor of Laws at said college, or a Professor of Physics and Anatomy.” Harvard took the opportunity to fund its first chair in law… > > In 1806, Royall’s heirs sold the rest of his estate and used the funds to establish a school of law at Harvard University. > > **In 1827, the struggling young law school** was down to only one faculty member and one student. In this year, an enterprising alumnus stepped in to save the school by establishing the Dane Professorship of Law, and insisting that the chair be given to **Joseph Story** , the nation’s youngest Supreme Court justice. Classic **GEEPERS**. Nonsensical, ill informed and completely unresearched. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/658 "2012-06-06T14:33:36Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > And atheist websites are not biased against Christians? What “atheist websites” are you referring to? Is anything that isn’t explicitly Christian an “atheist website”? Yes, there’s a strong connection between Story and Harvard Law. There’s also a strong connection between Al Gore and the Internet, but when he claimed to have created it, he was still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/659 "2012-06-06T14:34:14Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > They need to read Matthew 7:16. Hate, violence, fear, anger are not fruits of the Spirit. They are fruits of the devil. Matthew 7:3 is also a good verse to think upon whenever a person starts to feel too self-righteous. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555/660 "2012-06-06T14:36:42Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I find it quite interesting that no one so far wants to address the real point of my post being the quotes of Joseph Story. If I’m wrong about Harvard Law then my references are wrong. Conservapedia was just the first one that came up. Nobody is denying that connection. I find it interesting that you do not want to address the real point of my post; that is that\* it’s important to note that his opinions, unless made as an actual judicial ruling, do not equal law\*. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-example-of-atheists-destroying-christians-rights/623555.md?page=34)