Another Example of Atheists Destroying Christian's Rights

Is it your contention that initiatives like the Salvation Army would be impossible without Christianism, or that atheists don’t feel any empathy for their fellow men ? There are plenty of non-Christian charities. And they don’t use the charity work as an excuse to push their ideology upon the chariteed either, unlike some Christian charities I could name. Spreading religion by blackmailing the poor and the desperate is a pretty rotten thing to do if you ask me.

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I thought it was related to the yule log? Christmas trees are an old German custom, right?
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Yes and no.
The specific “Christmas tree” in its modern incarnation pretty clearly got off the ground in northern Germany around the 15th or 16th century and spread from there piggybacking on the spread of Lutheranism ; and it really was more or less just about “Ain’t this pretty ? We think it’s pretty. And you can hang pretzels from it for the kleine Kinder, too !”.

But using (and decorating) trees as symbolic ornamentation and as part of religious or quasi-religious practices is a very, very old custom among the Germanic folk. They worshipped sacred oaks as part of the cult of Donar/Thor, Odin/Wotan was hanged from a tree then speared and they’d re-enact the scene using prisoners or wilful sacrifices, there was a whole symbolism/parallelism connection going on with Yggdrasil/the World Tree ; and they worshipped evergreen trees like the pine or the fir as symbols of endurance, resilience, that sort of stuff as well.
In fact, according to some folklorists, the Christmas tree symbolism should be traced aaaall the way back to the 6th or 7th century when Saint Idontrememberhisname strolled into Germany to convert the natives, a big old axe in his hand because back then missionaries were no fricken pussies. His star act supposedly would be to go into the sacred groves to cut down the oaks like some sort of assholish Paul Bunyan and then go “Am I being struck by lightning ? Well, am I ? SO WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW ?!”. Naturally, as the legends go, everyone would immediately be awestruck by this indisputable rhetoric, blinded by the Truth of Lord Jesus Christ Peace Be Upon Him and converted on the spot. I have my doubts :p. But anyway, according to these folklorists, the newly converted Christians would keep the felled oaks around to remind them that Thor didn’t work, and kept cutting new ones every year when the previous ones rotted away, etc…

Yule is another, different tree-hugging pagan Germanic tradition, which wasn’t a religious celebration as much as it was an ad-hoc calendar marker of the equinox, just like the Saturnalias (though no doubt they’d thank the gods or the genus loci or whatever that the years kept turning 'round), and the Yule log was just a big hunk of wood or even an entire tree the people would parade around town, dance around then make a big bonfire out of to keep warm throughout the Yule feast (and, possibly, as a symbol that winter was coming to an end soonish, here’s the last fire needed this year, etc…). But they didn’t really decorate it or keep it in the town square for weeks or anything of the sort that I’m aware of - the point of it was the fire, not the wood, if you follow my meaning.

At this time it’s really difficult to establish which came first in the Livonian Germanic Unconscious that would give rise to the Xmas tree: the trees as important symbols or the religion centered around dolled up trees ; and how much of it is old lore and heathen worship spread by word of mouth among the medieval peasantry, who regardless of what the dour priests said would remember that some things oughta be done at some times, but not necessarily *why *they should be done…

You can’t argue that tax payer money is being used to support this group.

You can dance around the subject all you want, but the fact is that universities are taking away Christian freedom by forcing Christians to shut up and accept tenants that go against Christian beliefs. What’s the point of even having the group if you are forced to accept members who don’t share the group’s beliefs?

I sure would like to know if Muslims campus groups must accept Christian members. My guess is NO.
http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/03/23/christian-groups-under-assault-on-american-campuses/

It’s my contention that Christians are not the evil rotten monsters that you paint them out to be. Churches certainly help their fellow man a lot more than atheists. The Salvation Army is always there in times of disasters, and they are not forcing people to listen to a sermon before they get a meal. When Katrina hit in the south, many churches did not hesistate to open their doors for shelter and food. What did atheists do? Oh that’s right, they were busy on internet forums trashing Christians.

And the university allowed to set its own nondiscrimination policies. This fraternity was not following them.

The difference between public and private schools is not always that simple, but in this case the issue is Vanderbilt’s own policies.

This is a terrible analogy. We’re talking about gay Christians here.

Do you have a cite that Christians were more geneous than atheists after Katrina, or is this just unsupported nonsense? I know what I did after Katrina: gave money to the Red Cross.

Tenets.

Most religious people who know much about religion know that word. Unless you mean that unbelievers rent from them.

Well, unbelievers are rent from union with God! So there!

Actually this particular atheist packed up his duffel bag and went to N.O. for 3 months to repair/rebuild.

What I saw there were a lot of people who needed help, and a lot of people who came to help. I assure you, I busted my ass just as hard as the Christians who came down to help. And, if I may be so bold, I did it because it was the right thing to do, not because I expect some repayment in the afterlife.:wink:

St Bonifatius was one of those. He travelled the Frankish and Frisian lands, with bible and axe.

And a large escort of armed troops. (people usually forget about those armoured men, probably detracts a bit from the storyline where everybody is oh so happy to convert)

He finally met his end when some angry Frisians planted an axe in his skull.

No, they weren’t struck by lightning either.

Last summer, my church sent about twenty people to New Orleans, the neighborhoods still need a lot of construction help and the focus is off. But my church is an interesting one, I suspect about half the people who went don’t have a positive belief in God and Deists outnumbered Christians. We have all three types (and some shades between and on the edges) in the congregation.

Far as I can tell watching the Christians and atheists co mingling in a church where everyone is welcome and there is a large focus on social justice, Christians are no more or less likely to be charitable.

Nobody says they are. On the other hand, you have repeatedly asserted that atheists were immoral vindictive jerks who all went around attacking Christians ; **Eutychus **was simply replying that there were a lot more asshole Christians than asshole atheists around.
Which is probably strictly true and factual. If we assume that the proportion of complete tools is the same among both groups (e.g. around 80, 85% I would say, going by empirical observations) then considering Christians outnumber atheists 9 to 1 in the US… yes. By that same token, there would also be strictly more Christians mensches than there are atheists.

But if you would to argue that the ratios are wildly different and there are proportionally fewer tools and more menschs among Christians, boy, have you ever got your work cut out for you.

This might be true in America, and it wouldn’t be surprising that it would considering there are so few overt atheists, proportionally speaking. Of course there’s going to be more churchy charity if everyone is churchy.
But here in France where only 30% of the population really practices, the situation is reversed. Plenty of social works and initiatives that have no ties whatsoever with religion, plus some holy travellers on top. In the end, the homeless get their hot meals just the same (there’s even an organization dedicated to distributing hot coffee, sandwiches and condoms to prostitutes, because why not ?).

How do you explain that, if atheists are so terrible ?

I don’t see anything in 1 Corinthians 12 that supports your statement. (Against accepting homosexuals into your flock.)

In fact, I see:

Given to every man. Nothing about state of sin there.

This is Key! Don’t judge others [as being unworthy]. Treat them kindly [“bestow more abundant honor”].

God’s help is obviously needed by the sinful [which is all of us, I presume, right?], and people shouldn’t presume to block or hinder it.

Another “love thy fellow man” directive.

Yes ! That’s the one, thank you. Didn’t know he got the axe in the end, though. Ignorance fought !

I only have to look back towards post 416 which implied that hate spewing rhetoric was the norm among Christians.

Perhaps, they need to feel good about themselves since France has one of the highest suicide rates in Europe and 40% higher than Germany and the US. Kinda funny how when you kick God out of a country, suicide rate goes up.

You realize that the exact same complaints you are making about the university’s policy work in reverse? If the student group should be allowed to set whatever rules it likes, why shouldn’t Vanderbilt?

What does that prove? Switzerland is 9% atheist yet has a higher rate(16.2) than Germany-25% atheist (9.5)

Sweden is on a par with Germany -23% yet has a higher suicide rate(12.7).

I don’t see the correlation.
Suicide rates.
Atheist numbers.

How is this not rank subject-changing? It’s true that a nation’s religiosity correlates negatively with suicide rates, but does this counter the proposition that atheists can be as charitable as religious persons? (No, it doesn’t.) One might as well respond to your claims of religious charity by pointing out how atheists are less likely to engage in female genital mutilation or something.

And that’s why taking down the banner violates the rights of Christians.

The correlation does exist, FWIW, e.g. here. But it’s quite irrelevant to the discussion.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you partipated actively in the suicide tangent as well.

Fixed atheist link.