# Another filmed police encounter (Hammond, IN) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645 "2014-10-07T13:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/1 "2014-10-07T13:23:17Z")
Article [here](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/watch-cops-smash-window-to-use-taser-on-passenger-during-seat-belt-traffic-stop/). Video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsW-QCxXkQA). A car was pulled over for seatbelt violation. A couple with kids were on the way to the hospital because her mother was about to pass away. Apparently, before the video started, the cops asked for ID through the window and the male passenger reached into a bag and the cops drew weapons. Then they wanted the male passenger to get out of the car. The video starts at this point, I think. The guy in the passenger seat didn’t want to get out of the car, but does not appear to be presenting any sort of threat in any way. A minute or two later, the cops smash the window (with children in the car) and tase the male passenger and drag him out and cuff him. It really makes the cops look like bullies, trying to intimidate, and when that fails, just hurting people for no real reason. Why did they need this guy to get out of the car? Why was force warranted? Why were the children present put at risk? Why did they tase him? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/2 "2014-10-07T13:40:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Article [here](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/watch-cops-smash-window-to-use-taser-on-passenger-during-seat-belt-traffic-stop/). Video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsW-QCxXkQA). > … > It really makes the cops look like bullies, trying to intimidate, and when that fails, just hurting people for no real reason. They had a reason. He refused to get out of the car. > [@](#): > > Why did they need this guy to get out of the car? Because digging around in bags, under seats,etc makes cops nervous. That’s the usual places that bad guys keep weapons. People standing outside of a car have fewer places from which to retrieve weapons > [@](#): > > Why was force warranted? Because the guy wouldn’t get out of the car. > [@](#): > > Why were the children present put at risk? Because the guy wouldn’t get out of the car > [@](#): > > Why did they tase him? Because he wouldn’t get out of the car. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/3 "2014-10-07T13:50:49Z")
Holy fuck. “Because he wouldn’t get out of the car,” particularly in this context, is not justification for such shit treatment. Repugnance defined. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/4 "2014-10-07T13:51:52Z")
Wait. Didn’t the last guy get shot _because_ he got out of the car? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/5 "2014-10-07T13:57:44Z")
The last guy got shot because the cop was a moron, but the _proferred_ justification was that he got shot because he went back _in_ the car. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/6 "2014-10-07T14:08:13Z")
I thought the previous guy got shot because he moved too quickly when he did what the cop asked him to. So, now we get shot if we do what they tell us to, and if we don’t. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/7 "2014-10-07T14:16:23Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I thought the previous guy got shot because he moved too quickly when he did what the cop asked him to. So, now we get shot if we do what they tell us to, and if we don’t. > > Good to know. Thats fine if the point is mainly to make a joke or point out the imperfection of the world. Or talk about a specific case. But I am going to go out on limb and say your odds of having an unpleasant encounter with a cop are ever so slightly lower if you do what they say rather than not doing what they say. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/8 "2014-10-07T14:26:28Z")
You’ve built a viscous, fucked up police culture America. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/9 "2014-10-07T14:31:51Z")
The last guy did exactly what the police told him to do and got shot anyway. Cause he didn’t do it at the right speed. This is getting ridiculous. Cops are actually making things more dangerous for themselves by acting like this. Stupid fucking idiots. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/10 "2014-10-07T14:48:32Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > You’ve built a viscous, fucked up police culture America. I’m no great supporter of our police culture, but I don’t think we need to malign their [resistance to gradual deformation by shear stress or tensile stress](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity). ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/11 "2014-10-07T14:58:38Z")
My blood is boiling, so pitting endorsed. I would like to add that if society didn’t give the police power to pull us over for such petty reasons(seat belt violations) this event and the other mentioned shooting would not have happened. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/12 "2014-10-07T14:59:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m no great supporter of our police culture, but I don’t think we need to malign their [resistance to gradual deformation by shear stress or tensile stress](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity). Now, now, it’s well-known that police in the US have something of a reputation for their viscosity. Personally, I blame the donuts. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/13 "2014-10-07T15:02:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m no great supporter of our police culture, but I don’t think we need to malign their [resistance to gradual deformation by shear stress or tensile stress](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity). Except when that reaction to stress includes shooting, tasering, beating and otherwise subducting those who are merely non-compliant in a pissing contest. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/14 "2014-10-07T15:16:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m no great supporter of our police culture, but I don’t think we need to malign their [resistance to gradual deformation by shear stress or tensile stress](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity). :D:smack: ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/15 "2014-10-07T15:20:32Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Now, now, it’s well-known that police in the US have something of a reputation for their viscosity. Personally, I blame the donuts. they are taking action. Police car crashes into New Jersey donut shop [http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/police-car-crashes-into-n](http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/police-car-crashes-into-n) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/16 "2014-10-07T15:29:26Z")
The thing you have to understand is that last year, 50% of all traffic stops quickly escalated into a lethal shootout. I mean, I don’t have statistics to back that up, but it might be true. Why else would so many cops be treating these kinds of routine encounters like visits to Fallujah? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/17 "2014-10-07T15:47:51Z")
And here’s another one, for the NYPD. [Article](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nypd-pistol-whip-investigation) and [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wyAMydIkyA). Teenager was being investigated for marijuana possession. At some point, he flees, apparently. The video picks up at the end of the chase. He stops and gives up. As soon as the first cop reaches him, though he’s just standing there and offering no more resistance, he is pistol whipped. The kid staggers against the wall and puts his hand up. Another cop arrives and punches the kid. The kid is on the ground. There’s no evidence of any struggle. It looks like the cops cuff him, and then punch him one more time while he’s on the ground. These cops are being investigated by IA and the DA. Why did they pistol whip him? Why did they punch him when his arms were in the air? Why did they punch him again when he was on the ground? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/18 "2014-10-07T15:50:54Z")
You know, the argument that “there are only a few bad cops, and they give all the rest a bad name” is getting pretty threadbare lately. More like “There are only a few good cops, and they’re not from around here.” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/19 "2014-10-07T15:51:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why did they pistol whip him? Why did they punch him when his arms were in the air? Why did they punch him again when he was on the ground? Because they thought they could get away with it. You know, like usual. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/20 "2014-10-07T16:00:39Z")
[QUOTE=iiandyii] The guy in the passenger seat didn’t want to get out of the car… [/QUOTE] Who cares what he wanted or didn’t want to do? Get out of the fucking car. When the police give you a **legitimate** order, you don’t get to say No and waste everybody’s time arguing. [QUOTE=silenus] You know, the argument that “there are only a few bad cops, and they give all the rest a bad name” is getting pretty threadbare lately. More like “There are only a few good cops, and they’re not from around here.” [/QUOTE] Absolutely - we can be quite sure than some heavily publicized anecdotes indicate that the whole group is no good (with some exceptions). Regards, Shodan [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645.md?page=2)