# Another filmed police encounter (Hammond, IN) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645 "2014-10-07T13:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/161 "2014-10-07T19:25:40Z")
Last sentence of the article: > [@](#): > > One of the officers involved in the incident has been previously named in two excessive force lawsuits that resulted in settlements paid out by the city of Hammond. Sounds like it’ll be cheaper for taxpayers to fire his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/162 "2014-10-07T19:26:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > So a woman who is on her way to the hospital where her mother is dying “While openly and flagrantly violating state law and the rules of the road”, is the part that you forgot to type there. > [@](#): > > gets a ticket, has guns pointed at her and her children, has a window smashed, and sees her boyfriend get Tasered and arrested for just sitting there. You misspelled “for acting in a disorderly manner and refusing to step out of the vehicle when ordered to do so.” > [@](#): > > That’s community-oriented policing! Yes, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/163 "2014-10-07T19:27:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > By not trying to save your daughter, you’re probably breaking the law. I know of no law that obligates a parent to commit suicide by attempting to save the life of a child when they have no confidence that they are able to do so safely. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/164 "2014-10-07T19:28:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “While openly and flagrantly violating state law and the rules of the road”, is the part that you forgot to type there. They should have written her a ticket and left. No one was protected and served when they asked for ID from her passenger, or from pointing guns near children, etc. The police escalated a routine stop for no reason. They had no reason to even talk to the passenger, much less ask for ID, point guns, smash windows, and tase. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/165 "2014-10-07T19:29:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “While openly and flagrantly violating state law and the rules of the road”, is the part that you forgot to type there. Which you yourself confessed to doing repeatedly. I think we all know how \* you \* avoided being tased. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/166 "2014-10-07T19:30:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I know of no law that obligates a parent to commit suicide by attempting to save the life of a child when they have no confidence that they are able to do so safely. When did I say “commit suicide”? Risking one’s life isn’t committing suicide – I never said this was a whitewater river with dangerous currents. And risking one’s life to save one’s daughter is part of a parent’s duty. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/167 "2014-10-07T19:30:30Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Which you yourself confessed to doing repeatedly. Yes, and I regret and have learned from every one of those experiences. > [@](#): > > I think we all know how \* you \* avoided being tased. Yes. I was honest, cooperative, and apologetic. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/168 "2014-10-07T19:31:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The police escalated a routine stop for no reason. No, the passenger escalated a routine stop by refusing to comply. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/169 "2014-10-07T19:31:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. The cops should take this lesson to heart. If they had been more kind and respectful, they probably would get more cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/170 "2014-10-07T19:32:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No, the passenger escalated a routine stop by refusing to comply. The cops had no legitimate reason to demand that he get out of the vehicle in the first place. Cops shouldn’t be able to make demands like this with no danger to the public or evidence that the man is wanted for a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/171 "2014-10-07T19:33:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The cops had no legitimate reason to demand that he get out of the vehicle in the first place. Cops shouldn’t be able to make demands like this with no danger to the public or evidence that the man is wanted for a crime. Tell it to the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/172 "2014-10-07T19:34:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The cops should take this lesson to heart. If they had been more kind and respectful, they probably would get more cooperation. The cops aren’t the ones who weren’t kind or respectful here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/173 "2014-10-07T19:35:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The cops aren’t the ones who weren’t kind or respectful here. Wrong. Pointing guns, calling him “dumbass”, showering glass on children, etc., is neither kind nor respectful. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/174 "2014-10-07T19:37:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Tell it to the Supreme Court. This is one of those instances in which the law is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/175 "2014-10-07T19:37:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Wrong. Pointing guns, calling him “dumbass”, showering glass on children, etc., is neither kind nor respectful. None of which would have been necessary had the occupants of the vehicle not shown them common courtesy from the start. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/176 "2014-10-07T19:38:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > None of which would have been necessary had the occupants of the vehicle not shown them common courtesy from the start. It was not necessary at all (“dumbass” was necessary!?). No one would have been harmed if they had not done this. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/177 "2014-10-07T19:38:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is one of those instances in which the law is incorrect. So you acknowledge that the cops were following the law here. That’s good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/178 "2014-10-07T19:39:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was not necessary at all (“dumbass” was necessary!?). No one would have been harmed if they had not done this. If it looks like a dumbass, and it babbles incoherently like a dumbass, and it refuses to get out of the car like a dumbass… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/179 "2014-10-07T19:39:45Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So you acknowledge that the cops were following the law here. Nope. Even if the demand was lawful, that doesn’t mean the window-smash and the tasing was lawful. If it was, though, then the law should be changed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645/180 "2014-10-07T19:41:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If it looks like a dumbass, and it babbles incoherently like a dumbass, and it refuses to get out of the car like a dumbass… He was coherent. If you couldn’t understand him, it’s because there’s a problem with you. Further, calling a black man “it” and someone who “looks like a dumbass” doesn’t exactly portray you in the best light. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-filmed-police-encounter-hammond-in/700645.md?page=10)