# Another God question **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655 "2011-08-14T04:56:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/101 "2011-08-23T12:45:05Z")
> [@spiirit](#): > > The word of God declares- > > God is no respecter of persons. > God does not esteem one above another. > God cares nothing for the flesh. > The flesh is as dung to God. > Satan so desired the flesh that God gave it to him. > > These are tough sayings and hard to believe until found in the scriptures and cannot be denied. First, of course it can be denied. And second, all you are doing is underlining what an unpleasant creature your particular god is. > [@spiirit](#): > > The Bible proves that we each have our own destiny, even the world and the heavens themselves have a destiny No, it doesn’t prove anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/102 "2011-08-23T12:59:12Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I know you believe that Jesus said or did things, because someone wrote that he did, and you believe that person. There are many things that Jesus was quoted a saying that didn’t happen, such as His returning in his father’s Glory, with his angels,while some of the people there listening to him would still be alive…it didn’t happen. He is also quoted as saying the world would end in that generation but it didn’t. People just decided to translate the word generation to fit their beliefs.(Matthew chapter 24\_verse 34) but Matthew also use the word generation just as we do today, he is said to have written;" there were 14 generation between David and Jesus!! **monavis** you have set up such a filter you can’t see and can’t understand. You set up straw man arguments saying I know Jesus through men, though I met Jesus, and many more have - your filter just will not allow God coming to people to your loss. Second Yes His kingdom has come with power for millions back then till today, the harvest is ongoing and Jesus’ word is was and will be always true. Also about those generation, the scriptures also state ‘you diligently study scriptures thinking that is the way to eternal life, but those testify about me’ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/103 "2011-08-23T13:22:50Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > **monavis** you have set up such a filter you can’t see and can’t understand. You set up straw man arguments saying I know Jesus through men, though I met Jesus, and many more have - your filter just will not allow God coming to people to your loss. :rolleyes: No, neither you nor anyone in about the last 2000 years has met Jesus, he’s dust. And no, that’s not a matter of opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/104 "2011-08-23T15:04:53Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > …though I met Jesus, and many more have… Assuming that your claim is that you have actually physically met him, could you please describe him to us? What did he look like? How tall was he? What was his hair color, and did he have a beard? Details, please. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/105 "2011-08-23T19:51:13Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > By not interfering with nature, God allows _us_ to learn more about how the world works, and try to control/help more. (That’s the “not interfere with free will” argument.) That’s a great argument for Deism, but Christians are always praying for God to break that restriction, and Jesus himself said, in very clear language, that believers will get ANYTHING they ask for in prayer, and gave explicit examples that violate natural law — killing a fig tree, and throwing a mountain into the sea. So the “free will” argument is useless for Christians. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/106 "2011-08-23T20:10:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > :rolleyes: No, neither you nor anyone in about the last 2000 years has met Jesus, he’s dust. And no, that’s not a matter of opinion. What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/107 "2011-08-23T20:28:19Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met? Then describe him to us. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/108 "2011-08-23T22:24:12Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met? Bad news. Jesus just told me that the guy you met was an impostor. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/109 "2011-08-23T22:30:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met? Reality? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/110 "2011-08-23T22:40:07Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > You really should probably go to a more religious website than this one is for answers to your questions. It’s pretty clear his motive ‘to discuss and question’ is really to witness. No point witnessing on a religious site. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/111 "2011-08-23T22:49:30Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What are you basing this on that you who don’t know me are telling me who I met? :rolleyes: You are claiming to have met someone who died thousands of years ago. Therefore you are wrong, because of course someone that old no longer exists. You’ve never met Jesus, or Aristotle, or Hammurabi, or any other multi-millennia dead man. Nor has anyone else. All of which is _blindingly obvious_. ---
**Author:** ![code\_grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@code\_grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/code_grey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/112 "2011-08-23T23:04:01Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > It explains it to you, but it doesn’t make the God you believe in a very fair being. The God who acts in such a way doesn’t seem to know ahead of time what would happen, and if such a being exists there would be no Hitlers,bin-Ladan’s, or any criminals. A good father that could see the future would not want one child to harm another, I know as I am a parent if I had a child that would turn out to harm others I wouldn’t conceive them to begin with. the usual answer to the problem of evil is recompense in the afterlife. While humans are preoccupied with perceived “justice” and “injustice” of events observed in human life, God is thought to accomplish ultimate justice through punishment of hell and reward of heaven. In light of that, the upthread example of the parent deliberately burning a child to make him love him more is inaccurate because “love” is not the main issue in divine judgment. A closer analogy would be doctor performing a painful surgical operation to save the patient from being bed-ridden and in great pain for a long time (analogies of course only go so far - humans sick enough to be in great pain usually don’t survive for a long time). ---
**Author:** ![code\_grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@code\_grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/code_grey)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/113 "2011-08-23T23:10:27Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Only if in the long term the father favors the younger son. > > The story is saying that there’s a need for both justice \*and \*mercy. It’s not \*fair \*that the younger son is welcomed home, but it is _kind_. A world with only justice and no mercy would be very hard and cruel. And sometimes we’re forced to choose between the two. in the long term the prodigal son has already wasted his inheritance and will not get another one (no Obama to bail out such people back then), hence becoming landless poor and servant of rich people. Presumably he will end up living as a hired worker / poor relation to the older son, which will suit him absolutely right. This whole story of “mercy” means that mercy was shown him in that he was not allowed to starve, not that there will be no consequences to his actions. ---
**Author:** ![spiirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71e660/32.png) [@spiirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiirit)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/114 "2011-08-23T23:14:26Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > First, of course it can be denied. And second, all you are doing is underlining what an unpleasant creature your particular god is. > > No, it doesn’t prove anything at all. * * * This reply would be correct if you speak only for yourself. All is a matter of the depth of understanding of the Word of the Creator. By the way… being created in the image and likeness of God, we have all his emotions. God is not just a God of Love… such thinking is childish nonsense. But I will give you the key to his performance of all emotions as he uses them… he simply does all in Righteousness. Tom W. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/115 "2011-08-23T23:29:01Z")
> [@spiirit](#): > > * * * > > This reply would be correct if you speak only for yourself. All is a matter of the depth of understanding of the Word of the Creator. > > By the way… being created in the image and likeness of God, we have all his emotions. God is not just a God of Love… such thinking is childish nonsense. But I will give you the key to his performance of all emotions as he uses them… he simply does all in Righteousness. > > Tom W. So by your logic you’d agree there is a measure of childish nonsense in the creator? ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/116 "2011-08-24T00:02:54Z")
> [@code\_grey](#): > > A closer analogy would be doctor performing a painful surgical operation to save the patient from being bed-ridden and in great pain for a long time (analogies of course only go so far - humans sick enough to be in great pain usually don’t survive for a long time). The analogy becomes more stretched when one considers that (usually) the sickness and the pain are not caused by the doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/117 "2011-08-24T00:09:30Z")
> [@spiirit](#): > > Our destinies were determined even before the earth was formed. The “Book Of Life” was filled with it’s names before the earth was formed. Each of the chosen already has a place prepared for them in Paradise. Predestination… OK. So **Der Trihs** was destined to be an atheist, I was destined to be agnostic, these destinies are stamped and sealed and filed in a divine vault, and because of these destinies we’re going to have an unpleasant afterlife. **Der Trihs** , I think I’m coming around to your side of the “he’s just plain evil” argument. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/118 "2011-08-24T00:20:15Z")
> [@spiirit](#): > > This reply would be correct if you speak only for yourself. All is a matter of the depth of understanding of the Word of the Creator. Gibberish. Meaningless gibberish. > [@spiirit](#): > > By the way… being created in the image and likeness of God, we have all his emotions. God is not just a God of Love… such thinking is childish nonsense. But I will give you the key to his performance of all emotions as he uses them… he simply does all in Righteousness. God as he is portrayed in the Bible and by most believers is a monster. > [@Apollyon](#): > > > [@code\_grey](#): > > > > A closer analogy would be doctor performing a painful surgical operation to save the patient from being bed-ridden and in great pain for a long time (analogies of course only go so far - humans sick enough to be in great pain usually don’t survive for a long time). > > The analogy becomes more stretched when one considers that (usually) the sickness and the pain are not caused by the doctor. And doctors aren’t normally omnipotent beings who could just as easily fix it all _without_ pain. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/119 "2011-08-24T10:57:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > **monavis** you have set up such a filter you can’t see and can’t understand. You set up straw man arguments saying I know Jesus through men, though I met Jesus, and many more have - your filter just will not allow God coming to people to your loss. Second Yes His kingdom has come with power for millions back then till today, the harvest is ongoing and Jesus’ word is was and will be always true. > > Also about those generation, the scriptures also state ‘you diligently study scriptures thinking that is the way to eternal life, but those testify about me’ I don’t understand your interpretation, but I do not think you can read my mind. Because I disagree with you and do not see any validation in your interpretation I will do my own thinking. Your God is too cruel and illogical for my taste! I do not think the scriptures are any more the word of God than any book, some humans stated that,it is your right to believe as you wish, belief is not fact or proof. To state you met Jesus is not a fact but your belief. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655/120 "2011-08-24T11:05:15Z")
> [@code\_grey](#): > > the usual answer to the problem of evil is recompense in the afterlife. While humans are preoccupied with perceived “justice” and “injustice” of events observed in human life, God is thought to accomplish ultimate justice through punishment of hell and reward of heaven. > > In light of that, the upthread example of the parent deliberately burning a child to make him love him more is inaccurate because “love” is not the main issue in divine judgment. A closer analogy would be doctor performing a painful surgical operation to save the patient from being bed-ridden and in great pain for a long time (analogies of course only go so far - humans sick enough to be in great pain usually don’t survive for a long time). The sad thing about that is the Parent who “could” prevent a child from danger and doesn’t, or didn’t, is child abuse in it’s worse form. A parent who would know all things ahead of time would not let the child have any ailments that he could have prevented in the long run…in such a case as yours, your God is a monster who plays cruel games with his children. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-god-question/592655.md?page=7)