# Another installment of: Who Is/Was That Person?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 23, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341 "2014-03-23T05:32:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/1 "2014-03-23T05:32:46Z")

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1. Barbara Cartland
2. Dean Acheson
3. Manning Coles
4. Jimmy Getzoff
5. Felice Schachter
6. Dolly Oesterreich
7. George Meany
8. Vannevar Bush
9. John Marsh
10. Gerald L. K. Smith

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**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/2 "2014-03-23T05:41:47Z")

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I’ve heard of 1, 7, and 8; and thought I had heard of 10 until I realised I had conflated the last two and read it as Gerald Karsh.

No-one reads Gerald Karsh nowadays _broods_.

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/3 "2014-03-23T05:46:22Z")

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I ID the ones I know, right? Or can I pretend I know more than I answer but I just don’t want to be a hog?

1. British Romance novelist. Some sort of relative of Princess Di.
2. Truman’s Defense Secretary, when it wasn’t George Marshall.
3. Head of AFL-CIO, 60’s-70’s, or thereabout (also my grandmother’s godfather).
4. Vannevar Bush. Some sort of ambassadorial-type person (feel free to flesh out and/or correct, other people).

Also, do I add more? I guess I do. Next post, though, as I sense a race to be the first one in.

Update: Ok, I checked and I’m completely wrong about V. Bush.

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/4 "2014-03-23T05:58:00Z")

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1. Herbert Huncke
2. Letitia Baldridge
3. Guillaume Apollinaire

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**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/5 "2014-03-23T05:58:35Z")

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I only know Barbara Cartland who was a romance novelist and she loved all things pink. I believe she was also a great-aunt to Diana Spencer, but her writing career preceded her notoriety as Princess Diana’s GA.

Can we add our own names? No googling allowed I guess!

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**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/6 "2014-03-23T06:13:22Z")

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To Kambuckta: Be my guest. 🙂  
To Gael: I’m glad you had the afterthought. Dr. Bush was in no wise an _ambassador!_

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**Author:** ![movingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@movingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/movingfinger)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/7 "2014-03-23T06:27:01Z")

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Gerald L. K. Smith was a notorious anti-semite and general all-around racist, IIRC. Vannevar Bush was a science advisor to FDR and may have been in on the Manhattan Project.

Can I add a couple?

1. Sheik Zaki Yamani
2. Aneurin Bevan
3. Richard C. Hottelet
4. Billy Sunday
5. Bob Wills
6. Adam Clayton Powell
7. Fred Noonan

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**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/8 "2014-03-23T06:31:03Z")

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> [@kambuckta](#):
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> I only know Barbara Cartland who was a romance novelist and she loved all things pink. I believe she was also a great-aunt to Diana Spencer, but her writing career preceded her notoriety as Princess Diana’s GA.

Step grandmother, if I recall correctly. The mother of Diana’s disliked stepmother, “Acid” Raine Spencer, nee McCorquodale. I could have kept something useful in those brain cells.

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/9 "2014-03-23T06:36:27Z")

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> [@dougie\_monty](#):
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> Dr. Bush was in no wise an _ambassador!_

He was an ambassador of science, and as a member of Majestic 12 he was an ambassador to the Gray Aliens. 😉

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/10 "2014-03-23T06:47:01Z")

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1. Barbara CartlandRomance writer

2. Dean AchesonCold War politician

3. Manning Coles

4. Jimmy Getzoff

5. Felice Schachter  
Don’t know these three

6. Dolly OesterreichThe woman that married the Berlin Wall?

7. George MeanyUnion leader

8. Vannevar BushWWII government official. Worked in R&D

9. John MarshThis one sounds so familiar. A TV character?

10. Gerald L. K. SmithA leader in the Mormon church?

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/11 "2014-03-23T06:50:18Z")

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1. Aneurin BevanBritish politician?
2. Billy SundayEvangelist
3. Adam Clayton PowellBlack congressman
4. Fred NoonanSomebody in television?

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**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/12 "2014-03-23T07:54:41Z")

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> [@Claverhouse](#):
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> No-one reads Gerald Karsh nowadays _broods_.

Prolly not, since I meant Kersh.  
No-one reads him either…

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**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/13 "2014-03-23T11:09:44Z")

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Vannevar Bush – wow, what a mind. I had no idea. “Memex” – an early conception of something rather like the Internet – and so much more. Lest anyone think threads like this are mere games (or opportunities for Dopers to show off their knowledge), let it be known that they can serve to fight ignorance as well.

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**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/14 "2014-03-23T11:24:57Z")

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…and, now I know that [_Prescott_ Bush](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush) (father/grandfather of the presidents – no relation to Vannevar) probably lost his first Senate race because of his support of Planned Parenthood!

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/15 "2014-03-23T11:40:59Z")

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> [@kambuckta](#):
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> I only know Barbara Cartland who was a romance novelist and she loved all things pink. I believe she was also a great-aunt to Diana Spencer, but her writing career preceded her notoriety as Princess Diana’s GA.
> 
> Can we add our own names? No googling allowed I guess!

Barbara Cartland was a step-grandmother to Diana Spencer. After his divorce from Di’s mother he married the daughter of Barbara Cartland.

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**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/16 "2014-03-23T15:22:15Z")

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Fred Noonan, was that the guy who disappeared along with Amelia Earheart?

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/17 "2014-03-23T15:27:53Z")

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Moved MPSIMS --\> the Game Room.

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**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/18 "2014-03-24T01:11:52Z")

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C’mon  
Bob Wills?

I don’t know who’s in Austin, but Bob Wills is still the king.

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/19 "2014-03-24T01:50:10Z")

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> [@Sarabellum1976](#):
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> Fred Noonan, was that the guy who disappeared along with Amelia Earheart?

Yeah, some relation. Maybe he was her husband? I know someone was left behind.

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**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-installment-of-who-is-was-that-person/684341/20 "2014-03-24T04:01:09Z")

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> [@AppallingGael](#):
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> 1. Herbert Huncke
> 2. Letitia Baldridge
> 3. Guillaume Apollinaire

1. Beat Generation figure, sometimes credited with coining the phrase
2. Etiquette expert
3. Poet, considered one of the early surrealists

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