# Another mass shooting in the US (Texas) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811 "2017-11-05T20:12:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/1 "2017-11-05T20:12:53Z")
[A gunman has fired on churchgoers in Texas](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-06/multiple-people-killed-in-texas-church-shooting/9121094) Early reports are up to 24 dead. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/2 "2017-11-05T20:21:16Z")
At least 27 dead, according to current reports. Just another day in the land of the free. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/3 "2017-11-05T20:22:49Z")
[Source](http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/More-than-20-dead-after-shooting-at-Sutherland-12333530.php?ipid=brkbar) (There is a map at this link.) > [@](#): > > More than 20 people are dead after a man walked into First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs in Wilson County Sunday morning and opened fire. > > “I would say it’s up there around 20-plus, I’m not sure,” Wilson County Commissioner Paul Pheil said of the number of deceased. > > Twenty more were wounded, Pheil added. > > Another local official who wished to remain anonymous said there are at least 25 dead and 15 wounded. Eight of the wounded were transported to Brooke Army Medical Center [in San Antonio] and and seven others to area hospitals. > > Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt told The Wilson County News that the shooter has been killed. > > Exact numbers of dead and wounded are not available at this time. > > The Associated Press reports first responders converged on the church in the small town and helicopters are taking victims to hospitals… Will there be a multiple-victim shooting every day from now on? ---
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/4 "2017-11-05T20:26:55Z")
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**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/5 "2017-11-05T20:27:55Z")
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**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/6 "2017-11-05T20:39:08Z")
It is a shame we know what to do. The President, Government and various worthies will offer their prayers. We will start a Go Fund Me site. We will build a memorial with balloons and teddy bears.The reporters will get someone on tape saying “now is not the time…” Someone will be interviewed using the word “resilient.” There will be a candlelight march. Shirts will say “Sutherland Springs Strong.” Then it will happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/7 "2017-11-05T20:42:01Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > It is a shame we know what to do. > The President, Government and various worthies will offer their prayers. We will start a Go Fund Me site. We will build a memorial with balloons and teddy bears.The reporters will get someone on tape saying “now is not the time…” Someone will be interviewed using the word “resilient.” There will be a candlelight march. Shirts will say “Sutherland Springs Strong.” > > Then it will happen again. This is the sad reality. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/8 "2017-11-05T20:51:34Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > It is a shame we know what to do. > The President, Government and various worthies will offer their prayers. We will start a Go Fund Me site. We will build a memorial with balloons and teddy bears.The reporters will get someone on tape saying “now is not the time…” Someone will be interviewed using the word “resilient.” There will be a candlelight march. Shirts will say “Sutherland Springs Strong.” > > Then it will happen again. The alt-right and their media will lose their minds if the shooter is foreign, Muslim, or a Democrat. Otherwise it’ll get a short blurb (probably explaining why the shooter isn’t a “true” Christian), or nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/9 "2017-11-05T20:55:31Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > It is a shame we know what to do. > The President, Government and various worthies will offer their prayers. We will start a Go Fund Me site. We will build a memorial with balloons and teddy bears.The reporters will get someone on tape saying “now is not the time…” Someone will be interviewed using the word “resilient.” There will be a candlelight march. Shirts will say “Sutherland Springs Strong.” > > Then it will happen again. > [@Chefguy](#): > > This is the sad reality. I can’t reply to this without starting up a diatribe about America, guns and freedom, so I’ll leave it there. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/10 "2017-11-05T21:04:01Z")
> [@rsat3acr](#): > > reported to merge threads > [@rsat3acr](#): > > reported to merge threads Done. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/11 "2017-11-05T21:19:16Z")
Strength and prayer seem to be the only virtues that get expressed anymore. Seems it is never the right time for any others. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/12 "2017-11-05T22:44:03Z")
“Sutherland Springs is about 21 miles east of Downtown San Antonio and according to the latest data has a population of about 643.” A few more details [here](https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAutjLF?m=en-us). Still nothing on the identity of the shooter except that he was male and not a member of the small, 50-member church. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/13 "2017-11-05T22:47:14Z")
Looks like [Sutherland Springs is a very small rural town](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sutherland+Springs,+TX+78161/@29.2735468,-98.0602564,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x865cdc0359c71dc5:0xa56177fd6e63ea9f!8m2!3d29.2732957!4d-98.0566728). Wikipedia says “According to the Handbook of Texas, the population was 362 in 2000.” I’ve seen reports of 27 dead and 24 wounded, out of a normal Sunday congregation of 50-60. Virtually everyone there got shot. I suspect most of the people in town will have been pretty directly affected by this. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/14 "2017-11-05T22:51:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Will there be a multiple-victim shooting every day from now on? Statistically, we **already** average a mass shooting (defined as more than four people killed or injured) every day in the US. The national media doesn’t bother covering most of them. We’re quick to demand sweeping policy changes when we classify deaths as terrorist acts, but we lose many more people to shootings. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/15 "2017-11-05T22:56:28Z")
It’s on tape. The church videotapes its services every Sunday and places the video on FB/YouTube. Looks like it’s a single camera, only one perspective, manually operated. > **[First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA)** > > Sermons, Worship Services, and Events at First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas. There have been 2 fewer _mass_ shootings than there have been days so far in 2017. This is God’s answer to all these prayers - there is no more clearer evidence that _prayer doesn’t work_. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/16 "2017-11-05T23:00:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s on tape. > > The church videotapes its services every Sunday and places the video on FB/YouTube. Looks like it’s a single camera, only one perspective, manually operated. > > [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA) > > There have been 2 fewer _mass_ shootings than there have been days so far in 2017. > > **This is God’s answer to all these prayers - there is no more clearer evidence that _prayer doesn’t work_**. Way the hell too soon. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/17 "2017-11-05T23:05:20Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > Statistically, we **already** average a mass shooting (defined as more than four people killed or injured) every day in the US. The national media doesn’t bother covering most of them. We’re quick to demand sweeping policy changes when we classify deaths as terrorist acts, but we lose many more people to shootings. Most of them involve people who are related or otherwise know each other, and are frequently catalyzed by drugs and/or alcohol. I suspect that the gunman’s motive will be one of the strangest yet. I mean, a small rural CHURCH? I have heard conflicting reports as to whether he knew any of the victims, or even parishioners who may or may not have been there. I also knew the news wouldn’t be good when CNN went live two hours after it happened, with very sketchy information. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/18 "2017-11-05T23:08:10Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s on tape. > > The church videotapes its services every Sunday and places the video on FB/YouTube. Looks like it’s a single camera, only one perspective, manually operated. > > [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA) Last weeks upload has the pastor (? I don’t know much about churches) going on about physics and his motorbike. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KYu-XUdms10/maxresdefault.jpg "10-29-2017 - Proverbs 3 - You Don't Need Training Wheels, You Need Christ!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYu-XUdms10&t=3608s) What a damn shame ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/19 "2017-11-05T23:10:26Z")
It’s being pointed out that today is the eighth anniversary of the Fort Hood shooting. Same day of the year, same state and even roughly the same part of the state. They’re looking into any significance there, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/20 "2017-11-05T23:14:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s on tape. > > The church videotapes its services every Sunday and places the video on FB/YouTube. Looks like it’s a single camera, only one perspective, manually operated. > > [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwi858rGRPg0lFFVycFvvWA) > > There have been 2 fewer _mass_ shootings than there have been days so far in 2017. > > This is God’s answer to all these prayers - there is no more clearer evidence that _prayer doesn’t work_. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Way the hell too soon. And reported. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811.md?page=2)