# Another mass shooting in the US (Texas) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811 "2017-11-05T20:12:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/41 "2017-11-06T02:22:02Z")
I really could care less how the shooter dropped dead ! The pastor 14 years old daughter was one of the victims and a 5 years old is fighting for their live . 26 innocents people were killed by this evil monster and many more were wounded, these are the people we should be thinking about . Another senseless tragic crime has happen , something needs to be done to stop from keep happening . ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/42 "2017-11-06T02:36:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t have any idea what killed the guy, but it’s not difficult for me to imagine a wound that causes blood loss with Kelley passing out some distance down the road and crashing. He probably drowned in a pool. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/43 "2017-11-06T02:37:09Z")
of his own blood. ( •_•) ( •_•)\>⌐■-■ (⌐■\_■) ---
**Author:** ![Terry\_the\_Tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Terry\_the\_Tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terry_the_Tramp)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/44 "2017-11-06T02:39:26Z")
yeeeeah!!! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/45 "2017-11-06T02:45:03Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > He probably drowned in a pool. > [@Isamu](#): > > of his own blood. > ( •_•) > ( •_•)\>⌐■-■ > (⌐■\_■) > [@running\_coach](#): > > Way the hell too soon. This, too. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/46 "2017-11-06T03:06:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This is God’s answer to all these prayers - there is no more clearer evidence that _prayer doesn’t work_. This is not the place/thread to make this post in, so don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/47 "2017-11-06T03:06:41Z")
> [@Terry\_the\_Tramp](#): > > yeeeeah!!! This is a warning for you for being a jerk/trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/48 "2017-11-06T03:27:39Z")
Sorry. bad joke. Fingers crossed for those fighting for their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/49 "2017-11-06T03:36:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > CBS News is reporting: > > For those that don’t know, [DD = illegal to possess a firearm](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identify-prohibited-persons). CBS could be wrong about the details of his discharge, or he could have been in possession of it illegally. [Apparently](https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer) it was a Bad Conduct Discharge, not a Dishonorable Discharge, which doesn’t forbid firearm ownership. > [@](#): > > Kelley was discharged from the Air Force in 2014, according to Defense Department records. Kelley was court-martialed in November 2012 for assaulting his wife and their child. A judge sentenced him with a bad-conduct discharge, 12 months confinement, and two reductions in rank to basic airman, according to an appeals court decision in 2013 that affirmed the decision against Kelley. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/50 "2017-11-06T08:35:10Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > I really could care less how the shooter dropped dead ! The pastor 14 years old daughter was one of the victims and a 5 years old is fighting for their live . 26 innocents people were killed by this evil monster and many more were wounded, these are the people we should be thinking about . Another senseless tragic crime has happen , something needs to be done to stop from keep happening . ☹ One of the things that needs to happen is **not** giving the perpetrators of these crimes all the coverage they wanted in the first place. No names, no life history, no nothing, give them nothing and maybe then we’ll start seeing less of it. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/51 "2017-11-06T09:16:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This is God’s answer to all these prayers - there is no more clearer evidence that _prayer doesn’t work_. _Ora et labora._ You’re not supposed to just pray, you’re supposed to work towards improving the situation. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/52 "2017-11-06T10:02:36Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > _Ora et labora._ > > You’re not supposed to just pray, you’re supposed to work towards improving the situation. edit: Oh, screw it. This’ll just keep happening. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/53 "2017-11-06T10:20:22Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > One of the things that needs to happen is **not** giving the perpetrators of these crimes all the coverage they wanted in the first place. > No names, no life history, no nothing, give them nothing and maybe then we’ll start seeing less of it. I think this would just add to the fear and paranoia of the public surrounding these incidents, not knowing anything about how or why. It’s anger, hate, and madness that motivates most of these shootings, not so much hunger for fame. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/54 "2017-11-06T10:54:03Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > [Apparently](https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer) it was a Bad Conduct Discharge, not a Dishonorable Discharge, which doesn’t forbid firearm ownership. More details will continue to come out I’m sure. You can only get a dishonorable discharge as part of a sentence from a general court martial. He most likely had a special court martial. That means the maximum punishments are less. It’s roughly equivalent to going to trial for a serious misdemeanor rather than a felony. A bad conduct discharge does not in itself mean you can’t own a firearm. However his conviction was for domestic violence. A domestic violence conviction should make owning or possessing a firearm illegal. The information has changed several times so to be sure we will have to wait and see. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/55 "2017-11-06T12:11:26Z")
Good Morning. So are we looking at 26 including the killer dead or 26 plus the killer totaling 27? ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/56 "2017-11-06T12:43:07Z")
[Various](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41884014) [reports](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/gunman-kills-26-in-rural-texas-church-during-sunday-service-idUSKBN1D510F) are saying the gunman killed 26, so 27 total dead. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/57 "2017-11-06T14:04:01Z")
It seems that Devin Kelley was a [fanatical atheist](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html). It’s not yet clear if that was the reason he shot up a church. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/58 "2017-11-06T14:08:08Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > It seems that Devin Kelley was a [fanatical atheist](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html). > > It’s not yet clear if that was the reason he shot up a church. Don’t link to the Daily Mail as if it were a reputable news source. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/59 "2017-11-06T14:17:35Z")
Just turned off NPR after hearing someone go on about how this was supposedly “worse” because it occurred in a house of worship. Why is that worse than any other conceivable location? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/60 "2017-11-06T14:20:03Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > However his conviction was for domestic violence. A domestic violence conviction should make owning or possessing a firearm illegal. The information has changed several times so to be sure we will have to wait and see. I’ve read that doesn’t apply to court martial decisions, but IANAL. Regardless, CNN reported that he bought the weapon from a Academy Sports in 2016, which is a major sporting goods store in the area, and posted pictures of it on Facebook. Neither of those are the actions of someone who purchased a firearm illegally. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811.md?page=4)