# Another mass shooting in the US (Texas) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811 "2017-11-05T20:12:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/121 "2017-11-07T13:49:24Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > An idea that just came to me: Jesus says to Peter in Gethsemane that “those who live by the sword will die by the sword.” Would that not also apply to the more modern gun? I’m not sure about this revelation of yours but it’s pretty straight forward. If you go around shooting people you should expect the same treatment. It’s a common sense warning not to harm people. I’m not going to get into any kind of religious debate but you can easily google Jesus and sword. An example: Luke 22:35-38King James Version (KJV) 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/122 "2017-11-07T14:02:49Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Do you agree that regulation of firearms can be effective in reducing the number of guns in circulation? You seem to draw a line here from the regulations enforced and therefore guns being severely limited in use. I would expect a correlation between firearms regulations and number of guns in circulation. Do you agree that in the absence of guns other methods exist to kill people? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/123 "2017-11-07T14:04:16Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is a warning for you for being a jerk/trolling. I disagree with this warning. [ATMB thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=841111). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/124 "2017-11-07T14:09:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If all the guns were magically removed it would not limit a person from committing mass murder. (A) It wouldn’t take “magic”, as you damn well know, and (B) Why not, it’s worked everywhere in the civilized world. Now: Obviously you’d support regulating and licensing guns and gun owners and gun sales to the same degree as trucks and truck owners and truck sales. What have you been doing to make that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/125 "2017-11-07T14:48:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If all the guns were magically removed it would not limit a person from committing mass murder. How? What method of mass has the ease of use and use of obtaining in the US at just about any retail hardware/camping/Walmart? Backed up by a constitutional right to obtain them? What easily obtained weapon of mass murder could the Las Vegas shooter have used to kill over 59 people and injure over 500 in about 20 minutes from a distance? Or the church shooter in this case? What other weapon of mass murder is available off-the-shelf, ready for use, at your local Walmart? Serious question, not rhetorical. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/126 "2017-11-07T15:35:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I would expect a correlation between firearms regulations and number of guns in circulation. And would you expect, in general, to see gun deaths reduce as the number of guns reduces? > [@](#): > > Do you agree that in the absence of guns other methods exist to kill people? Oh absolutely, very little stands in the way of a human that has decided to kill. We are nothing if not destructively, violently inventive. Mind you, I don’t see that we should be comfortable with ensure everyone has access to the easiest way of carrying it out. The logic we often hear, and what you seem to be nodding towards is… > [@](#): > > “people will always find some way of doing (negative thing) therefore there is no point in restricting (specific item) that is specifically designed for, and it makes it easier to instantly carry out (negative thing)” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/127 "2017-11-07T15:36:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > (A) It wouldn’t take “magic”, as you damn well know, and (B) Why not, it’s worked everywhere in the civilized world. It’s not wanted in this country so yes, it would take magic. And I’m not sure what you think has worked in the civilized world. Whether someone uses a gun or a truck is irrelevant. It’s the intent of the person and the ability to murder that is the issue. Removing guns doesn’t change that. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Now: Obviously you’d support regulating and licensing guns and gun owners and gun sales to the same degree as trucks and truck owners and truck sales. What have you been doing to make that happen? I don’t obviously support what you suggest. We already have laws that regulate the sales of guns. It’s already more difficult to purchase a gun than it is to buy a truck. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/128 "2017-11-07T15:53:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I don’t obviously support what you suggest. We already have laws that regulate the sales of guns. It’s already more difficult to purchase a gun than it is to buy a truck. This is not true. I, as a felon, can buy a gun from a private seller with no background check. Hand some cash over, have a gun. While buying a truck from a private seller can be nearly as easy, you are still obligated to report the sale, pay sales tax (in some states), and pay for the title transfer and registration. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/129 "2017-11-07T15:56:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s already more difficult to purchase a gun than it is to buy a truck. It’s troubling that you believe this. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/130 "2017-11-07T16:11:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It’s troubling that you believe this. It’s not a belief. It’s a fact. I can walk into any dealership and buy a truck with no restrictions. I have to pass a background check to buy a gun. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/131 "2017-11-07T16:14:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s not a belief. It’s a fact. I can walk into any dealership and buy a truck with no restrictions. I have to pass a background check to buy a gun. What about when you buy one from a private seller? See post 128. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/132 "2017-11-07T16:16:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s not a belief. It’s a fact. I can walk into any dealership and buy a truck with no restrictions. I have to pass a background check to buy a gun. Really? What state are you in? I can go to Dick’s Sporting Goods right now and walk out with a gun no questions asked. I’m fairly certain that even if you wanted to pay cash for a new truck, the dealership would make you fill out SOME pieces of paper before just handing you the keys. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/133 "2017-11-07T16:21:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Basically banned has a meaning too. I’m not sure why your panties are bunching up on this. I though my meaning clear. They UK has limited guns down to the police officer level. I know multiple private individuals in the UK who own a gun of some kind; in fact, my mother is actually legally obligated to own a gun (due to managing a zoo with potentially dangerous animals). She’s currently trying to argue with the local council that she shouldn’t have to have one, because she doesn’t even want one and she’d never actually use it to shoot one of the animals. If I really wanted to take up shooting, I could almost certainly get a gun licence. It’d probably take a while, and I’d need to get a secure cabinet to store any guns I purchased, but I could get one. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/134 "2017-11-07T16:22:35Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Really? What state are you in? I can go to Dick’s Sporting Goods right now and walk out with a gun no questions asked. > > I’m fairly certain that even if you wanted to pay cash for a new truck, the dealership would make you fill out SOME pieces of paper before just handing you the keys. I take this back. I do need to get a background check at the store and fill out an ATF Form. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/135 "2017-11-07T16:25:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Whether someone uses a gun or a truck is irrelevant. The worst intentional mass killing using a [del]truck[/del] _vehicle_ in this country is 8 people, with _almost_ a dozen more injured. This guy in TX killed 26 & he didn’t even get ½ the fatalities or 1/10[sup]th[/sup] the injuries that happened in Vegas. You still think a truck is a deadly as a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/136 "2017-11-07T16:27:33Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > This is not true. I, as a felon, can buy a gun from a private seller with no background check. Hand some cash over, have a gun. No, you as a felon cannot buy a gun legally from a private seller. You would be breaking the law and will be subject to those penalties. > [@wguy123](#): > > While buying a truck from a private seller can be nearly as easy, you are still obligated to report the sale, pay sales tax (in some states), and pay for the title transfer and registration. you’ll have to cite that. Tax liability in my state doesn’t require specifying the purchase, just the payment of tax. Registering the vehicle would be a function of driving it on the road just as a CCW license certifies the carrying of a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/137 "2017-11-07T16:32:01Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > The worst intentional mass killing using a [del]truck[/del] _vehicle_ in this country is 8 people, with _almost_ a dozen more injured. This guy in TX killed 26 & he didn’t even get ½ the fatalities or 1/10[sup]th[/sup] the injuries that happened in Vegas. > > You still think a truck is a deadly as a gun? No, I think a truck is far deadlier than a gun. The recent one in NYC involved a school bus. Had he waited for school to let out he could have driven down the line of kids waiting to board the bus and then moved on to other targets. The shooter in Las Vegas could have driven a bus into the crowd and killed many more people. The worst mass killing in the US with a vehicle was 9/11 and thousands died. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/138 "2017-11-07T16:34:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No, you as a felon cannot buy a gun legally from a private seller. You would be breaking the law and will be subject to those penalties. Ok - do away with the felony part. Most states do not require a background check to LEGALLY buy a gun from a private party. So, do you still stand by your statement it is easier to buy a truck than a gun? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/139 "2017-11-07T16:37:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The worst mass killing in the US with a vehicle was 9/11 and thousands died. And you know what happened after that event? A gazillion new laws, regulations, agencies, driving across dams closed, etc. Massive money was spent to stop it from ever happening again. What happens with smaller mass murders by guns? Jack and shit. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811/140 "2017-11-07T16:45:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Really? What state are you in? I can go to Dick’s Sporting Goods right now and walk out with a gun no questions asked. you can’t do that without passing a background check. > [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m fairly certain that even if you wanted to pay cash for a new truck, the dealership would make you fill out SOME pieces of paper before just handing you the keys. There is no background check or restrictions for buying a truck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-in-the-us-texas/800811.md?page=8)