# Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242 "2015-12-02T19:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/201 "2015-12-03T17:27:10Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > For someone who knows more about firearms than I, if these were military type weapons, why are there so many wounded? Would it not be more likely that they were dead? Military assault rifles are less powerful than typical deer rifles. In most Western states they are not legal for deer hunting, as they are too likely to result in a wounded animal escaping. (Eastern white tailed deer are much smaller than the mule deer common in the west). The 7.62x54 NATO round used by some designated marksmen and/or snipers is considered an adequate round for deer hunting, (where it is known as .308 Winchester) though it is considerably less powerful than the .30-'06 round used in the WW-II Korea era, and still favored by many big game hunters. The AR-10 rifle is available to civilians, and has military styling, but it is perhaps 5% (my WAG) as popular as the much lower powered AR-15. Furthermore, most of the inexpensive ammo available for these rifles is military surplus/production over runs, and is FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or “ball” ammo, meaning that the bullets are designed NOT to expand on impact…a requirement of the Geneva convention, as expanding bullets were felt to be overly lethal, and produce more ghastly injuries when not fatal, and were not required to meet military objectives. In contrast, many state game agencies forbid the use of FMJ ammunition, as it is again, too likely to result in a wounded animal escaping. FMJ bullets may be required for Pachyderms, however. In short, “high powered, military style assault weapons” is an oxymoron. It is either a deliberate distortion intended to make these firearms seem more dangerous than they actually are (no firearm is safe) and stir support for their banning. Or it is a repetition in ignorance after exposure to such propaganda. If semi-automatic versions of military rifles are not suitable for hunting, it is because they are insufficiently powerful or lethal, not because they are overkill. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/202 "2015-12-03T17:27:53Z")
It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/203 "2015-12-03T17:29:15Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. Ugh. Sorry for your loss. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/204 "2015-12-03T17:30:02Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That’s right, it makes a big fucking difference if a president sprints to a microphone and utters the word “terrorism”. > [@Shodan](#): > > Only if he is Republican. > > Regards, > Shodan You miss the instruction? Even if you didn’t you both should know better than bringing in your bickering as a hijack. Take it to The Pit. **BobLibDem** you are on rapidly thinning ice as it is. There will be no other breaks given. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This does not make a lick of sense. I guess what you really mean is “Hello, I’m a partisan asshole” Since you decided to double down on the hijack and disregard of Mod instructions with an insult this is an official warning. Knock it off. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/205 "2015-12-03T17:31:41Z")
KFI’s Bill Handel show (LA radio station) is mentioning GoPro cameras were found. Suggesting YouTube videos from assailants to follow, perhaps being edited now by ??? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/206 "2015-12-03T17:37:45Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. i’m so sorry. may his memory be eternal. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/207 "2015-12-03T17:39:22Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > KFI’s Bill Handel show (LA radio station) is mentioning GoPro cameras were found. > Suggesting YouTube videos from assailants to follow, perhaps being edited now by ??? OR…and I’m really going out on a limb here…they may find pictures of them sailing or mountain biking. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/208 "2015-12-03T17:39:50Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. Very sorry to hear that. Condolences. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/209 "2015-12-03T17:40:57Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. So sorry. RIP ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/210 "2015-12-03T17:51:01Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. Im so sorry to hear this. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/211 "2015-12-03T17:54:14Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Since you decided to double down on the hijack and disregard of Mod instructions with an insult this is an official warning. Knock it off. Apologies - did not see the mod instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/212 "2015-12-03T18:00:08Z")
Is there still believed to be a third shooter at large, or were those initial reports believed to be incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/213 "2015-12-03T18:09:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Is there still believed to be a third shooter at large, or were those initial reports believed to be incorrect? Just the two shooters. Reports of a third suspect were incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/214 "2015-12-03T18:16:58Z")
Police Chief says no cameras found. (bad KFI:mad:) 3rd guy may have been running from gunfire, he is cleared. Bomb making equipment found at house. gossip: neighbors may have some “interesting” clues, much late night traffic at house etc. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/215 "2015-12-03T18:20:42Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > As usual I want to remind everyone this is not The Pit or Great Debates. If you want to debate gun control or rant about terrorism we are well equipped for that. Just not in MPSIMS. No threadshitting or hijacking. If you want to discuss the facts as they come in stay right here. Most of you know that already I’m sure. > Mod hat off. > > I don’t believe a quarter of the first reports that hit the news. But it is disturbing that there are reports that suspects have fled the area before police arrived. It suggests a well planned attack rather than a crazy guy with a gun. Granted, those reports can be totally wrong but that is what is on both CNN and Fox now. My apologies, I had indeed missed this bit of instruction. My opinion is that the motive will never be understood, unless someone at the party can recall them taking great offense at something or if a search of their home reveals something that may shed some light. Is it workplace violence or a terror cell? I’m not sure we’ll know. I want to know what happened to the third person- did he/she exist? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/216 "2015-12-03T18:22:29Z")
Perhaps it is a “terrorist cell” that became annoyed with folks at work. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/217 "2015-12-03T18:28:31Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. Sorry **Maggie**.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/218 "2015-12-03T18:33:43Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > It was just confirmed my friend is among the dead. > > Fuck. Sorry to hear about your friend. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/219 "2015-12-03T18:36:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > My apologies, I had indeed missed this bit of instruction. So did I, so my apologies for the hijack (and to **BobLibDem** ). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![stillownedbysetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/41988e/32.png) [@stillownedbysetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stillownedbysetters)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/220 "2015-12-03T18:38:52Z")
The media is now saying that details are emerging that Farook had contact with international terrorism suspects and that police are combing the couples’ home and computers for any additional evidence that they were ‘radicalized’. I wish I could say that this comes as a surprise, but sadly, it does not. Whether the holiday party shooting was terror-related or simply how a radicalized individual reacts when he is pissed off, no one knows. And maggie, I am so very sorry for the death of your friend. Our family lost a friend in the Aurora theatre shooting. I can empathize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=12)