# Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242 "2015-12-02T19:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/321 "2015-12-04T22:37:30Z")
Another question for **Loach** or any other LEO’s here: > [@Loach](#): > > . . . if it is supposed to be an active crime scene then there should be an officer maintaining control of the place 24/7 until it is no longer an active crime scene. If it is left unattended (even if boarded up) then the chain of custody is broken and anything left in there could not be used anyway. What is the legal status of yellow tape surrounding the scene, saying “Crime scene - Do Not Cross” or “Police Line - Do Not Cross”. I see those from time to time, surrounding a property or crime scene, even with no visible guard at the scene. (None of the articles regarding the current case mention if there was such a tape.) If there is such a tape, but no guard on duty, how secure is that considered? Does the tape create a presumption that the scene is secure and untampered? Even if only a “legal fiction” to that effect? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/322 "2015-12-04T22:41:35Z")
MSNBC found Farook’s mother’s driver’s license and felt it worthwhile to post that on camera, including her address. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/323 "2015-12-04T23:01:07Z")
Isn’t there a legal problem with the landlord granting access to the property? The murderers’ possessions don’t belong to him just because they committed a crime. They belong to the estate. I understand that it might not be released until the criminal activity was settled, which might be years in this case, but surely the landlord has intermeddled by allowing access? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/324 "2015-12-04T23:05:26Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > It sounds as if the wife was the more ideological of the two. She radicalized her husband, and they made plans for an attack. Then his hatred for his coworkers determined their target. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > If that’s the case, it’s kind of interesting; did she profile him as someone who could be radicalized when looking for someone to marry? Because personally, I can’t imagine ever thinking that shooting up the company holiday party is a good idea. So how far along on the path was he to begin with? I kind of wish they were still alive, so they could be studied. Josh Marshall at TPM [speculates](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-role-of-tashfeen-malik): > [@](#): > > It is caveated speculation based on the shreds of evidence we now have: but it seems likely to me that she was the channel of radicalization for her husband or at least the catalyst maintaining it from initial interest to its final, bloody crescendo on Wednesday. Indeed, I’m curious whether, having reached out to radical elements abroad, Farouk wasn’t matched together with Malik either to keep him on his track of radicalization or to get her into the United States or perhaps both. That seems plausible to me. Farouk starts heading down the path from uninvolved nobody to militant; he makes some contacts with terrorists overseas; he eventually goes to Saudi Arabia, where he is paired up with a woman who is already a committed terrorist; she poses as his fiancé to get a visa; she goes back with him to finalize and carry out the plan. I have no idea, of course, if that’s really what happened. But it certainly seems possible. It’s also a much simpler plan than trying to get terrorists here by slipping them in with Syrian refugees. But I suppose this will only add fuel to the anti-refugee sentiment. This only proves that we need to keep all Muslims out! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/325 "2015-12-04T23:13:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, I guess I mean anyone who knows anything about their beliefs rather than just their name. To spell it out: they accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour and take the New Testament as gospel. Which means they are Christians. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/326 "2015-12-04T23:22:28Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > That seems plausible to me. Farouk starts heading down the path from uninvolved nobody to militant; he makes some contacts with terrorists overseas; he eventually goes to Saudi Arabia, where he is paired up with a woman who is already a committed terrorist; she poses as his fiancé to get a visa; she goes back with him to finalize and carry out the plan. I have no idea, of course, if that’s really what happened. But it certainly seems possible. I sort of hope the marriage wasn’t a sham, because they left an orphaned baby. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/327 "2015-12-04T23:26:31Z")
My guess as to why the investigation at the property ended so soon is that since there is no one to prosecute the police/FBI didn’t need as much evidence as they would if they were trying to find someone. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/328 "2015-12-04T23:29:05Z")
Presumably they still want to know how far the conspiracy goes. Perhaps something in the house indicates who they were talking to within ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/329 "2015-12-04T23:32:26Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I sort of hope the marriage wasn’t a sham, because they left an orphaned baby. Yes I’m sure it will be quite a comfort to be able to tell the child when it’s older “Your parents were terrorists … who loved each other very much” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/330 "2015-12-04T23:34:32Z")
I just can’t imagine having a kid and knowing that you’re planning something that may leave her orphaned. Why not just remain childless instead? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/331 "2015-12-04T23:39:25Z")
Well I imagine it was an arranged marriage like a lot of marriages in that part of the world. I don’t know if it was intended to be a suicide-murder pact from the get go but I figure it’ll be of little comfort either way. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/332 "2015-12-04T23:45:02Z")
IMO the apartment is going to be scraped clean down to bare wood, looking for any and all clues to anyone else in the cell. I cant imagine any scenario where its returned to the landlord for quite some time. (property owner is a 73 yr old female, according to LA Times) ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/333 "2015-12-05T00:24:28Z")
oops, my bad, just heard about that MSNBC story.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/334 "2015-12-05T01:56:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I sort of hope the marriage wasn’t a sham, because they left an orphaned baby. I doubt that it was a sham if they had a child, but it doesn’t matter, the baby will never know his or her parents. It depends upon who raises the kid upon whether the parents were glorious martyrs, evil villains, or unknown, “you were left on our doorstep”. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/335 "2015-12-05T02:35:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yes I’m sure it will be quite a comfort to be able to tell the child when it’s older “Your parents were terrorists … who loved each other very much” I’d watch that Lifetime movie. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/336 "2015-12-05T02:40:16Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > oops, my bad, just heard about that MSNBC story.:smack: color me surprised. I saw the clip where the landlord just let everybody in to look around. All kinds of papers left on the desk. I would have dusted every square inch for prints. Too late now. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/337 "2015-12-05T02:48:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > color me surprised. I saw the clip where the landlord just let everybody in to look around. All kinds of papers left on the desk. I would have dusted every square inch for prints. Too late now. Perhaps the authorities carted everything away, the landlord salted the joint with stuff abandoned by other tenants, and charged reports $500 for tickets. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/338 "2015-12-05T02:53:03Z")
There was a bin full of shredded documents in the apartment. I can’t believe the FBI just left that sitting there. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/339 "2015-12-05T03:24:23Z")
One of the reporters was sucking on a popsicle he snagged from the freezer. Are these looters or journalists? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/340 "2015-12-05T03:33:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I doubt that it was a sham if they had a child, but it doesn’t matter, the baby will never know his or her parents. It depends upon who raises the kid upon whether the parents were glorious martyrs, evil villains, or unknown, “you were left on our doorstep”. According to [this story](http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-cell-phones-smashed-1.3350496), Farook’s sister and brother-in-law are taking steps to adopt the baby. His brother-in-law seems to have his priorities correct: > [@](#): > > Farhan Khan, who is married to Farook’s sister, is beginning the legal process to adopt the child. Khan said Friday he was “very upset and angry” at Farook. > > “You left your six-month-old daughter,” he told NBC News. “In this life some people cannot have kids. God gave you a gift of a daughter. And you left that kid behind… What did you achieve?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=18)