# Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242 "2015-12-02T19:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/341 "2015-12-05T04:02:01Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > One of the reporters was sucking on a popsicle he snagged from the freezer. Are these looters or journalists? Not journalists, at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/342 "2015-12-05T04:55:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > but it doesn’t matter, the baby will never know his or her parents. I wouldn’t be too sure. In 15-25 years the kid may wonder who mommy and daddy were, find out what they did, ask why, and might sympathize. Blood is a strong bond. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/343 "2015-12-05T09:25:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Which means they are Christians. 🙂 Except since being Jewish is an ethnicity, what would you call someone who is Jewish and practices the beliefs of Christianity? (no, this isn’t the set-up for a punchline :p) Christian Jew? Point is they still retain their ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/344 "2015-12-05T11:05:35Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Except since being Jewish is an ethnicity, what would you call someone who is Jewish and practices the beliefs of Christianity? (no, this isn’t the set-up for a punchline :p) Christian Jew? Point is they still retain their ethnicity. How do you know he is an ethnic Jew? ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/345 "2015-12-05T11:39:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well I imagine it was an arranged marriage like a lot of marriages in that part of the world. I don’t know if it was intended to be a suicide-murder pact from the get go but I figure it’ll be of little comfort either way. Coming soon: _Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in…_ ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/346 "2015-12-05T12:22:55Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > One of the reporters was sucking on a popsicle he snagged from the freezer. Are these looters or journalists? The [reporter in question](http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-popsicle/?utm_campaign=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#uyTktkrzWPqJ) says that it wasn’t a popsicle, but a screwdriver that he was using to help the landlord remove the boards. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/347 "2015-12-05T12:51:54Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Why did the landlord pry open the plywood barring the door to the apartment and [let the press in](http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#XtLldpyhUgqp)? I’m seeing conflicting reports that is in an active crime scene/no it’s not. This isn’t CSI, surely the FBI needs more than a few days to go through everything? Could it be that the criminals are dead and there wont be a trial? They took what they needed to defend us that they were indeed terrorists and or the true criminals? > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > According to [this story](http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-cell-phones-smashed-1.3350496), Farook’s sister and brother-in-law are taking steps to adopt the baby. His brother-in-law seems to have his priorities correct: Priorities straight? > [@](#): > > Farhan Khan, who is married to Farook’s sister, is beginning the legal process to adopt the child. Khan said Friday he was “very upset and angry” at Farook. > > “You left your six-month-old daughter,” he told NBC News. “In this life some people cannot have kids. God gave you a gift of a daughter. And you left that kid behind… What did you achieve?” Um yeah no one lies… :dubious: > [@Bullitt](#): > > I wouldn’t be too sure. In 15-25 years the kid may wonder who mommy and daddy were, find out what they did, ask why, and might sympathize. Blood is a strong bond. Guaranteed! If the creeps are not out of control by then, its not the blood, its the ideology, isnt it? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/348 "2015-12-05T13:05:30Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I wouldn’t be too sure. In 15-25 years the kid may wonder who mommy and daddy were, find out what they did, ask why, and might sympathize. Blood is a strong bond. This to me is my main worry about any further large scale Muslim immigration into the West. We keep hearing about ISIS cells amongst these immigrants, and that is a legitimate enough concern. However, an even greater concern for me is the possible radicalisation of 2nd generation Muslims. It’s a problem we already see in places such as France. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/349 "2015-12-05T18:43:02Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > This to me is my main worry about any further large scale Muslim immigration into the West. We keep hearing about ISIS cells amongst these immigrants, and that is a legitimate enough concern. However, an even greater concern for me is the possible radicalisation of 2nd generation Muslims. It’s a problem we already see in places such as France. The thing is, in this case, the guy was born here and his wife came here on a spouse visa or something similar. I think the radicalization of a citizen here is more worrisome than refugees. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/350 "2015-12-05T19:31:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Farhan Khan, who is married to Farook’s sister, is beginning the legal process to adopt the child. Khan said Friday he was “very upset and angry” at Farook. > > “You left your six-month-old daughter,” he told NBC News. “In this life some people cannot have kids. God gave you a gift of a daughter. And you left that kid behind… What did you achieve?” > [@WildBlueYonder](#): > > Um yeah no one lies… :dubious: What does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/351 "2015-12-05T22:01:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps the authorities carted everything away, the landlord salted the joint with stuff abandoned by other tenants, and charged reports $500 for tickets. 🙂 Maybe. barring any evidence of that I’m thinking they left a lot stuff behind. It’s not like the terrorists kept everything in a binder marked “clues”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/352 "2015-12-06T00:57:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Maybe. barring any evidence of that I’m thinking they left a lot stuff behind. It’s not like the terrorists kept everything in a binder marked “clues”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/353 "2015-12-06T01:20:45Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Another question for **Loach** or any other LEO’s here: > What is the legal status of yellow tape surrounding the scene, saying “Crime scene - Do Not Cross” or “Police Line - Do Not Cross”. I see those from time to time, surrounding a property or crime scene, even with no visible guard at the scene. (None of the articles regarding the current case mention if there was such a tape.) If there is such a tape, but no guard on duty, how secure is that considered? Does the tape create a presumption that the scene is secure and untampered? Even if only a “legal fiction” to that effect? Not secured at all. Crossing that tape could get you a trespassing or obstruction charge but that isn’t helping the case. Any further evidence that might be found later would be tainted by the fact that the scene was not secured. Case law might vary from state to state but here if you gave up custody of the location if you wanted to go back in you would have to get another search warrant. In reality I’m not seeing a huge deal here. It’s an apartment. It doesn’t take much time to search it. They are not trying to build a case. The case is already exceptionally cleared because the suspects are dead. It was more like an intelligence gathering mission to determine other’s involvement. Why would they need to take the mother’s drivers license? Maybe they released it too quick. Maybe not. But the assumption that they needed to take every scrap out of the apartment is ridiculous. What would be accomplished? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/354 "2015-12-06T02:30:43Z")
The FBI apparently raided the house next door today, belonging to (or at least rented by) Farook’s former roommate, who bought the two long rifles for him. The inhabitant thereof is not at home, having checked himself into a mental hospital on the day of the massacre. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/355 "2015-12-06T02:57:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The inhabitant thereof is not at home, having checked himself into a mental hospital on the day of the massacre. Jesus. Is that a cover up, or serious? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/356 "2015-12-06T03:09:55Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Jesus. > Is that a cover up, or serious? :dubious: It’s not unbelievable that he might have had an adverse reaction to discovering he inadvertently helped his flatmate kill 14 innocent people. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/357 "2015-12-06T03:27:46Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > It’s not unbelievable that he might have had an adverse reaction to discovering he inadvertently helped his flatmate kill 14 innocent people. Indeed, that is why I asked the rhetorical question. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/358 "2015-12-06T04:07:20Z")
Ooooooh, what an orgasmically righteous day it must have been for the N.R.A. Many soft targets successfully eliminated. Many injuries successfully delivered. 2nd Amendment Rights successfully exercised. Zero changes in legislation or ease of access. Business as usual. Rivers of blood. Gosh, the members throughout the land must just be so very very proud of everything this organization stands for. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/359 "2015-12-06T05:54:11Z")
I would dismiss your attitude as simply bizarre and shitty if I didn’t see that sentiment come up so often. Do you sincerely believe that people who advocate for second amendment rights are actively rooting for mass shootings and cheer them on? I’ve seen quite the oposite - the people who seem to get super excited for these shootings are the ones who love to get any chance to be condescending towards gun owners. This is essentially what you sound like to me: “Oh, you fourth amendment supporters must be really excited. A truck bomb went off again. IF police could search anything they wanted for any reason, these things wouldn’t happen. But your precious privacy killed people again. Another success for the ACLU. You must be very proud” Edit: Except what I said is more obviously sarcastic. You seem to sincerely believe that gun owners root for mass shootings, which makes about as much sense as ACLU-supporters rooting for terrorism or criminals going free on a technicality. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/360 "2015-12-06T06:02:20Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Gosh, the members throughout the land must just be so very very proud of everything this organization stands for. Here’s one who isn’t so proud. [Meet the Gun-Loving Lifelong Member of the NRA Who Just Submitted His Resignation](http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html). John Oceguera, former speaker of the Nevada state assembly and currently a Democratic candidate for Congress from the state’s 4th District, to Wayne LaPierre: Drop dead. [Text of Oceguera’s letter to LaPierre on Oceguera’s campaign web site.](http://www.johnoceguera.com/2015/12/03/why-im-resigning-my-nra-membership/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=19)