# Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242 "2015-12-02T19:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/21 "2015-12-02T20:25:23Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Now where have we heard of 3 man shooter teams?? The Chicago Bulls? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/22 "2015-12-02T20:32:58Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > The Chicago Bulls? Jordan Pippen and Kerr? ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/23 "2015-12-02T20:34:53Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > Goddammit. Cowardly fucking ammosexuals. There’s nothing wrong with ammosexuals as a group, it’s the gundamentalists that are the problem. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/24 "2015-12-02T20:35:22Z")
[Up to 12 dead.](http://abc7.com/news/12-killed-in-shooting-at-san-bernardino-social-services-facility/1106844/) [Or maybe 20.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?_r=0) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/25 "2015-12-02T20:42:56Z")
> [@Rodgers01](#): > > Wow… When will this end? ☹ When guns are harder to get and mental health care easier. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/26 "2015-12-02T20:44:07Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Reports are saying as many as 3 gunmen may be involved. > > I can imagine one person who was angry at the treatment he’d received, but 2 or 3 people staging a coordinated attack on a place like that is just bizzare. A lone-wolf attack on a movie-theater audience is just random craziness . . . an attack on a PP clinic or a Sikh temple or a liberal Congresscritter or an IRS office at least has political motives of a kind we’re all familiar with . . . but what the Hell is **this?!** ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/27 "2015-12-02T20:44:11Z")
The shooting location is [around the corner](https://www.rt.com/usa/324372-san-bernardino-active-shooter/)from a Planned Parenthood clinic. > [@](#): > > Police in San Bernardino, California are responding to reports of an active shooter in an office building. There are 20 victims, according to the fire department. The location is around the corner from a Planned Parenthood. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/28 "2015-12-02T20:47:18Z")
I think it’s a safe bet it’s unrelated to the proximity of any planned parenthood. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/29 "2015-12-02T20:49:33Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I think it’s a safe bet it’s unrelated to the proximity of any planned parenthood. Agreed. Otherwise they would be casualties. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/30 "2015-12-02T20:50:47Z")
[Police are now looking for a black SUV that fled the scene.](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html) “It is unclear if the people inside the vehicle are witnesses or suspects.” ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/31 "2015-12-02T20:52:17Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The shooting location is [around the corner](https://www.rt.com/usa/324372-san-bernardino-active-shooter/)from a Planned Parenthood clinic. PP is almost a mile and a half away. These guys were not aiming for Planned Parenthood. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/32 "2015-12-02T20:54:35Z")
I never liked The 909. Worked in San Bernardino for a couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/33 "2015-12-02T20:55:33Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > PP is almost a mile and a half away. These guys were not aiming for Planned Parenthood. My bad. I would think local news would know where things are. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/34 "2015-12-02T20:59:05Z")
Another day, another mass shooting in the USA. Ho-Hum. Maybe tomorrow I’ll wake up with some enthusiasm for this country. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/35 "2015-12-02T20:59:18Z")
I haven’t seen it mentioned in the thread yet. There are reports (including a phone call I just heard with the father of one of the people who was present during the shooting) that the shooting occurred in a room where a San Bernardino County holiday party was taking place. News anchors were speculating about the shooting possibly being motivated by a disgruntled employee, but the father pointed out (accurately, in my opinion) that it’s hard to imagine a disgruntled former employee rounding up two other shooters (or that three disgruntled people colluded for this). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/36 "2015-12-02T20:59:39Z")
As usual I want to remind everyone this is not The Pit or Great Debates. If you want to debate gun control or rant about terrorism we are well equipped for that. Just not in MPSIMS. No threadshitting or hijacking. If you want to discuss the facts as they come in stay right here. Most of you know that already I’m sure. Mod hat off. I don’t believe a quarter of the first reports that hit the news. But it is disturbing that there are reports that suspects have fled the area before police arrived. It suggests a well planned attack rather than a crazy guy with a gun. Granted, those reports can be totally wrong but that is what is on both CNN and Fox now. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/37 "2015-12-02T21:04:21Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Story here](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html) > > Apparently the police are looking for 3 active heavily-armed shooters. Why they would do this to a disabled services center boggles the mind. If it’s terrorism related they would do it to anger the US into an error in its reaction. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/38 "2015-12-02T21:04:56Z")
We don’t yet know all the facts but it is worth noting that when shootings like this happen it is sometimes the case that witnesses report multiple shooters when in fact there is only one. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/39 "2015-12-02T21:08:22Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > I haven’t seen it mentioned in the thread yet. There are reports (including a phone call I just heard with the father of one of the people who was present during the shooting) that the shooting occurred in a room where a San Bernardino County holiday party was taking place. News anchors were speculating about the shooting possibly being motivated by a disgruntled employee, but the father pointed out (accurately, in my opinion) that it’s hard to imagine a disgruntled former employee rounding up two other shooters (or that three disgruntled people colluded for this). A banquet for county personnel, apparently. It feels like a disgruntled emploee, but I agree the multiple shooters is a strange aspect. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/40 "2015-12-02T21:09:01Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Now where have we heard of 3 man shooter teams?? That is just the type of pejorative racist comment we need to avoid. Please be kind and not make any assumptions on a 3 man heavily armed shooting team dressed in black wearing masks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=3)