# Another Mass Shooting (San Bernardino) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242 "2015-12-02T19:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/381 "2015-12-08T14:13:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Pretend I don’t. Sorry, I’m not interested in feeding your recreational outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/382 "2015-12-08T14:37:00Z")
Hogging it all to yourself, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/383 "2015-12-08T15:03:17Z")
New info: 2 weeks before the attack, Farook [received a payment of $28,500](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/08/bank-records-show-28500-deposit-to-syed-farooks-account-two-weeks-before-shooting-source-says.html?intcmp=hpbt1) into his bank account. Where this money came from is being invesigated. Farook withdrew $10,000 in cash, and transferred $15,000 to his mother. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/384 "2015-12-09T03:07:10Z")
This could all just be a cultural misunderstanding. After his office cohorts threw him and his wife[a baby shower](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-to-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html) they didn’t understand the proper response was to send thank you cards. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/385 "2015-12-09T04:29:59Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > New info: 2 weeks before the attack, Farook [received a payment of $28,500](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/08/bank-records-show-28500-deposit-to-syed-farooks-account-two-weeks-before-shooting-source-says.html?intcmp=hpbt1) into his bank account. Where this money came from is being invesigated. Farook withdrew $10,000 in cash, and transferred $15,000 to his mother. ABC News says he got it from an online loan company. The friend/neighbor/gun provider is Hispanic, but he is also a convert to Islam. Since they were long time friends, I wonder if Farook converted him, or if he was Islamic before they met. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/386 "2015-12-09T12:49:55Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is a warning for you. Three notes have been already posted in this thread telling everyone not to use this thread for a debate about heavy gun control or politic discussion. Although some is probably unavoidable, your post here very clearly isn’t just a “lite” post about it. > > Take any discussion about it to the Pit or GD threads about this incident. Please accept my apologies. Warning fairly earned. My post did not belong in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/387 "2015-12-10T15:02:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The friend/neighbor/gun provider is Hispanic, but he is also a convert to Islam. Since they were long time friends, I wonder if Farook converted him, or if he was Islamic before they met. Yep, they’re good friends alright. [The neighbor is also a terrorist supporter.](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/10/federal-authorities-set-to-indict-friend-who-bought-guns-for-san-bernardino/?intcmp=hpbt1) > [@FoxNews.com](#): > > Law enforcement officials believe Farook and Marquez discussed executing an attack somewhere in the Los Angeles area in 2012, but decided not to do so after four people were arrested in nearby Riverside County in an unrelated terror case. Investigators believe Marquez bought the rifles and gave them or sold them to Farook in preparation for that planned attack. It is not clear what the target of the attack would have been. Looks like we can cross off the possibility that he wan an unwitting dupe. I’m guessing his checking into a mental hospital is in preparation for an insanity defense. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/388 "2015-12-10T15:15:00Z")
ETA: Perhaps there really was a third shooter who ran away from the scene, and it was Marquez? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/389 "2015-12-10T15:19:47Z")
Aside from being friends, Farook and Marquez are related by marriage. Farook’s brother’s wife is the sister of Marquez’s wife. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/390 "2015-12-15T19:31:29Z")
Here’s something I didn’t know before. [Immigration officials are not allowed to look at a person’s social media posts when deciding whether to give them a visa.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/15/lawmakers-push-to-lift-absurd-ban-on-vetting-social-media-for-visa-seekers.html?intcmp=hpbt2) Apparently, this has been a “secret” policy for a while now, but the Obama Administration decided to keep it in place as recently as last year. In this particular case, the wife has been found to have made jihadist comments on Facebook as far back as 2012 – two years before she came to the US – and she and her husband talked about this stuff on social media as well. Am I missing something, or is this ban really stupid? There are no privacy concerns that I see. Social media, by its nature, is public. A Facebook post or a tweet is no more private than a yard sign advertizing your favorite politican. When some moron brags about his crimes online, we don’t forbid the police from using that as evidence against him. (And if you haven’t noticed, a _lot_ of news reports these days end with something like “The suspect was arrested after he bragged about the crime on his Facebook page.”) Why shouldn’t immigration officials be able to look at social media posts to decide if somebody is a potential threat? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/391 "2015-12-15T19:55:48Z")
My guess is that it’s a policy meant to keep people from dicking around on facebook all day under the guise of work, but who knows. It’d be funny if we were all gung-ho about spying on our citizens except for the public stuff on facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/392 "2015-12-15T20:45:50Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Here’s something I didn’t know before. [Immigration officials are not allowed to look at a person’s social media posts when deciding whether to give them a visa.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/15/lawmakers-push-to-lift-absurd-ban-on-vetting-social-media-for-visa-seekers.html?intcmp=hpbt2) If true, that is incredibly stupid. That is the one time when such a strategy actually makes sense, because granting a foreigner permission to enter your country is the one time when the government should have the most discretion. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/393 "2015-12-16T00:08:28Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Here’s something I didn’t know before. [Immigration officials are not allowed to look at a person’s social media posts when deciding whether to give them a visa.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/15/lawmakers-push-to-lift-absurd-ban-on-vetting-social-media-for-visa-seekers.html?intcmp=hpbt2) How are they going to look at Facebook posts if the privacy is set to friends only? Or do terrorists usually make all their jihadist posts public? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/394 "2015-12-16T00:46:52Z")
The idea of the government reviewing my online postings is terrifying. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/395 "2015-12-16T02:16:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The idea of the government reviewing my online postings is terrifying. I conduct things online assuming the government can easily read my posts and emails. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/396 "2015-12-16T02:32:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The idea of the government reviewing my online postings is terrifying. The idea of giving a visa to someone that posts they intend to slaughter people seems kinda seriously bat shit crazy. They are literally sending out electronic notices of intent. Do you need a hard copy mailed to you? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/397 "2015-12-16T02:53:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The idea of giving a visa to someone that posts they intend to slaughter people seems kinda seriously bat shit crazy. They are literally sending out electronic notices of intent. > > Do you need a hard copy mailed to you? This makes it a little harder. From **Diceman’s** link. > [@](#): > > Yet the day after the attack, Facebook found a post on a page maintained by Malik pledging her and Farook’s allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. **The page was under an alias.** ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/398 "2015-12-16T04:18:27Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > This makes it a little harder. > From **Diceman’s** link. Yes and no. A different name still traces back to the same network connection. Defeatable, yes. The nice thing about computers is the ability to sift data and that gives an agency like the NSA the ability to run sophisticated search engines. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/399 "2015-12-16T20:55:36Z")
The head of the FBI says there is no evidence that the San Bernardino shooters ever posted pro-terrorist comments online. What was all of that about the wife having used fake Facebook accounts to declare her support for ISIS? > **[FBI Director: No Evidence California Shooters Were Part Of Cell](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/san-bernardino-shooters-not-part-of-organized-cell-fbi-director_n_56719482e4b0648fe301bf5c)** > > FBI Director James Comey said the couple expressed support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications but never did so on social media. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242/400 "2015-12-16T21:37:24Z")
It’s possible that what was believed to be the wife posting under a false name was actually someone else posting under a false name. It’s also possible that the head of the FBI is lying - he’s still trying to push an agenda against encryption, after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/739242.md?page=21)