# Another Mass Shooting: Wisconsin Mall Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 21, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437 "2012-10-21T18:25:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/1 "2012-10-21T18:25:23Z")
Looks like a new mass shooting has taken place in a Wisconsin mall. Perhaps not so mundane, but really no where else to put it. [http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/21/police-reportedly-respond-to-incident-at-wisconsin-salon/](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/21/police-reportedly-respond-to-incident-at-wisconsin-salon/) _sigh_ So sad ☹ According to the story no one has been critically wounded. That’s good at least. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/2 "2012-10-21T19:01:53Z")
Sadly, this story will also pass. You could have nutcases shooting up Kindergartens full of kids, every day, 365 days a year, and there would still be no change in gun laws here. There will always be the gun fanatics explaining in great depth, and in multiple posts, and from people crawling out of the woodwork, that guns are not the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Reginald\_Hobbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@Reginald\_Hobbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reginald_Hobbes)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/3 "2012-10-21T22:01:50Z")
Earlier reports included 3 dead. Local news now reporting the shooter has been found dead. Don’t know if that means 3 total or 3 plus shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/4 "2012-10-22T00:42:01Z")
[4 dead, including the shooter.](http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mall-shooting-wisconsin-brookfield-180854621.html) ---
**Author:** ![mkecane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@mkecane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkecane)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/5 "2012-10-22T02:40:34Z")
This is less than half a mile from a Sheraton hotel where there was a shooting in 2005. That shooting killed 7 people plus the killer shot himself. > **[Terry Ratzmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Ratzmann)** > > Terry Michael Ratzmann (April 29, 1960 – March 12, 2005) was an American mass murderer who killed seven members of his Church congregation, the Living Church of God (LCG), before committing suicide in Brookfield, Wisconsin in 2005. > Previously living with his mother and sister, Ratzmann was known as an avid gardener who often shared his homegrown produce with the church congregation and had a passion for carnivorous plants. He was a computer technician with a placement firm and his contract w... ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/6 "2012-10-22T02:50:17Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Sadly, this story will also pass. > You could have nutcases shooting up Kindergartens full of kids, every day, 365 days a year, and there would still be no change in gun laws here. Does it matter, though? He also had a bomb. Bombs are illegal, but he had one. Would a change in gun laws here really prevent this? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/7 "2012-10-22T02:52:36Z")
How many people were killed by the bomb? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/8 "2012-10-22T20:36:08Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > There will always be the gun fanatics explaining in great depth, and in multiple posts, and from people crawling out of the woodwork, that guns are not the problem. I am about as far from being a gun fanatic as you can get. And still, I don’t see this as a gun problem, I see it as a crazy asshole problem. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/9 "2012-10-22T20:43:31Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I am about as far from being a gun fanatic as you can get. And still, I don’t see this as a gun problem, I see it as a crazy asshole problem. And maybe a mental health problem. I still don’t see people getting the mental health help they need. People who go to shrinks are still classed as “crazy”. There still isn’t enough support for it, nor is it commonly available, nor is it affordable, nor is it cheap. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/10 "2012-10-22T20:47:05Z")
Very true! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotGrrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9dc877/32.png) [@PatriotGrrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotGrrrl)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting-wisconsin-mall-edition/638437/11 "2012-10-22T21:42:00Z")
Is it even possible for a person to get help anonymously? I wouldn’t be surprised to find people avoiding treatment out of fear (justified or not) of their employer, etc. finding out.