# Another mass shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 20, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333 "2013-09-20T18:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/1 "2013-09-20T18:40:43Z")
This time in Chicago [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201\_162-57603810/chicago-park-shooting-leaves-13-wounded-including-3-year-old-boy/](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57603810/chicago-park-shooting-leaves-13-wounded-including-3-year-old-boy/) > [@](#): > > A 3-year-old boy who was among 13 people wounded in a late-night attack on a southwest Chicago park was alert when he arrived at the hospital and was apparently doing well, his family and friends said early Friday. > > The attack late Thursday in the city’s Back of the Yards neighborhood left three victims, including the boy, in critical condition. The others were reportedly in serious or fair condition. > > Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said all 13 victims at the park sustained non-life-threatening injuries and that the boy was expected to survive. > > In total, 19 people were shot citywide Thursday, leaving one dead and 18 others hurt, the police said. > > McCarthy said an assault-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine was used in the park attack. Given the type of weapon used, it was “a miracle” that no one was killed at the park, he said during a Friday news conference. > > No arrests have been made. I don’t know about you all, but I am getting sick of these ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/2 "2013-09-20T19:00:57Z")
Curious to see what this guy’s (assuming it was a guy, usually is) story is. I’m assuming “no arrests” means someone got away with it though. Unfortunate. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/3 "2013-09-20T19:02:58Z")
This happened last night and is suspected to be gang related. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/4 "2013-09-20T19:24:58Z")
It started with a gangland-style drive-by shooting in some dodgy hood, didn’t it? All smells a bit Capone like. I suspect 13 shot and no deaths wasn’t an error on the shooters’ part. More like a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/5 "2013-09-20T20:31:49Z")
The wall to wall news coverage of this event is deafening. Oh wait. Although it hasn’t been totally ignored it certainly isn’t getting the national coverage of the DC Navy Yard shooting. Although its easy to cry racism as the cause of the apathy I think its more about the fear mongering. They know a workplace or school shooting causes fear, dread and a morbid curiosity in the viewer. Everyone across the country can see themselves at work or in a movie theater. Most won’t connect with people at a night time basketball game in a high crime area of Chicago. I believe they are both equally tragic but the Chicago shooting is a more important story. But it will be covered far less. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/6 "2013-09-20T20:50:16Z")
Yeah, really going overboard with the coverage on this one… But hey, we got a good two days of DC stuff until it fell out of the template and just…kinda…vanished. Wonder why that might be? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/7 "2013-09-20T21:09:15Z")
> [@JustinC](#): > > I suspect 13 shot and no deaths wasn’t an error on the shooters’ part. More like a warning. I believe it is those dinky little 9mm cartridges. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/8 "2013-09-20T21:24:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe it is those dinky little 9mm cartridges. 🙂 True, although spraying lead in a park and hitting 13 people must mean the shooter/s were unloading a huge amount. It wasn’t a crowded cinema where you just crouch and hit legs; there must’ve been people running, crawling, freezing, crouching etc. I think this was a planned hit, otherwise you’d expect a few lives to have been lost. The report claims it was ‘a miracle’, I call BS. Also the shooter/s got away clean, which is not usually the case where a crazy is concerned. Hopefully there’s enough evidence left over to find them and put them in jail. Or if they get away with it then they come to realise how close they were to murdering a 3 year old child. I’m glad no one lost their lives and hope no one has lasting injuries or disabilities. If that’s the case maybe it was actually a miracle. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/9 "2013-09-20T21:28:40Z")
Well one dude _did_ kick the bucket so…maybe 18 bystanders while the actual target got leaded. Who knows? The shooters were just lucky as hell nobody in the area had a CC permit or there’d have been a dead suspect a disabled car and far fewer injuries. I guess. Dear god, I think I’m becoming a gun control person. Nah. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/10 "2013-09-20T22:12:35Z")
It occurs to me that after the Navy attack there will be an effort to ban shotguns. One of the fellows here in Little Rock had a CC permit and was armed during a restaurant robbery. He didn’t shoot for fear that when he hit the first guy, the other three would open up on people. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/11 "2013-09-20T22:24:06Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > Well one dude _did_ kick the bucket so…maybe 18 bystanders while the actual target got leaded. Who knows? > > The shooters were just lucky as hell nobody in the area had a CC permit or there’d have been a dead suspect a disabled car and far fewer injuries. I guess. Dear god, I think I’m becoming a gun control person. Nah. It will be interesting to find out the details about the guy who lost his life. I was in Sicily in 1986 (or thereabouts) and two guys went into a restaurant in Palermo and shot the whole place up, only hitting (and killing) one man. It was during the trials there of Mafiosi heads (there were US military ships just off the coast and US troops marching in the streets everywhere). That was labelled a hit as the victim was a judge. No one else was injured even though the restaurant was bullet-ridden and wrecked. We only heard about it third-hand so maybe the facts aren’t completely true. Life in Palermo (we were there three months) just went on as normal. Pretty crazy from my POV but the Mafia there controlled so much I don’t doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/12 "2013-09-20T23:01:35Z")
An armed society is a polite society. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/13 "2013-09-20T23:20:34Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe it is those dinky little 9mm cartridges. 🙂 You have another cite? The one in the OP said 7.62. Hardly a dinky little cartridge. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/14 "2013-09-21T00:38:55Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > You have another cite? The one in the OP said 7.62. Hardly a dinky little cartridge. 7.62 mm? That is smaller than 9mm. I found a 9mm Luger casing at a group shooting, it was a tiny thing compared to a .45 or even a .32. I did not read what caliber was used. This sort of thing is usually 9mm in my brief experience. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/15 "2013-09-21T00:45:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > 7.62 mm? That is smaller than 9mm. > I found a 9mm Luger casing at a group shooting, it was a tiny thing compared to a .45 or even a .32. > I did not read what caliber was used. This sort of thing is usually 9mm in my brief experience. 7.62 is a rifle cartridge. 9mm is a pistol cartridge. For comparison the “high power military grade” scary AR15 is a smaller 5.56 mm rifle cartridge. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/16 "2013-09-21T01:53:30Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > 7.62 is a rifle cartridge. 9mm is a pistol cartridge. For comparison the “high power military grade” scary AR15 is a smaller 5.56 mm rifle cartridge. They fired at them with rifles? That has a respectable load behind it, I warrant. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/17 "2013-09-21T02:18:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > They fired at them with rifles? That has a respectable load behind it, I warrant. Just going from the one article which quotes the police, yes it was a rifle. Given the caliber I would guess it was something like an AK47 variant. Although many different rifles use that caliber. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/18 "2013-09-21T02:32:49Z")
That is not the usual gangland shooting. Perhaps they obtained an AK47 and wanted to try it out. It is difficult to hit anything, firing sideways. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/19 "2013-09-21T03:41:08Z")
My guess, 7.62 Russian, probably AK or SKS. Gangstah Hoopstahs like them AKs. Anyway, just another day in Chicagoland - nothing to see here… ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333/20 "2013-09-21T04:19:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It occurs to me that after the Navy attack there will be an effort to ban shotguns. > > One of the fellows here in Little Rock had a CC permit and was armed during a restaurant robbery. > He didn’t shoot for fear that when he hit the first guy, the other three would open up on people. It’s called an “adverse correlation of forces,” and the guy in LR was wise to hold his peace. Besides, CC isn’t for playing Clint Eastwood/Charles Bronson and stopping random street crime; it’s about self defense. If the armed robbers “opened up” on the diners, Mr. CC would then be justified in taking action. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-mass-shooting/669333.md?page=2)