# Another National Park asshole vandal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 23, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655 "2016-09-23T17:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/61 "2016-09-27T01:12:54Z")
manson you didn’t answer my question > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > No but it didn’t belong to the vandals either so what right did they have to destroy it? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/62 "2016-09-27T12:48:38Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > manson you didn’t answer my question Is it destroyed? What about it is destroyed? Tire tracks in some mud DESTROYS the mud? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/63 "2016-09-27T13:20:29Z")
Why do you guys even _bother_… he’s going to show up in every thread about manmade damage to some public natural feature to post something dismissive, and he is not going to ever yield the point. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/64 "2016-09-27T13:38:25Z")
I’m just waiting for vandals to tear up about 3 feet of public street right in front on manson’s driveway. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/65 "2016-09-27T13:44:03Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Why do you guys even _bother_… he’s going to show up in every thread about manmade damage to some public natural feature to post something dismissive, and he is not going to ever yield the point. What point? That idiots cry over rocks and mud? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/66 "2016-09-27T13:46:04Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I’m just waiting for vandals to tear up about 3 feet of public street right in front on manson’s driveway. I wasn’t aware that the rocks and mud in these vandal threads affected somebody’s ability to get to work. Is that the case? Is there a major commuter route through the mud that is no longer passable because some tire tracks are there? And besides, if some vandals DID tear up about 3 feet of public street right in front of my driveway, I wouldn’t be sad over the poor asphalt. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/67 "2016-09-27T14:37:04Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > It’s quite possible the people who drove their vehicle didn’t realize it would do any permanent damage to the lake bed. I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions though. I tend to obey signs in state/federal parks telling me I shouldn’t use motor vehicles in certain areas. But it wouldn’t automatically occur to me that driving on a dry lake bed was going to ruin anything. Yes, it’s possible that they didn’t realized the kind of damage they were doing but they drove right past the signs. And the damage from the tires would have been immediately visible in the rear view mirrors. They may not have know how long the damage would last, but they knew they were doing damage. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/68 "2016-09-27T14:40:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What point? That idiots cry over rocks and mud? Yes, \*we’re \*stupid because \*you \*don’t understand something. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/69 "2016-09-27T14:53:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, \*we’re \*stupid because \*you \*don’t understand something. I fully understand. I just think it’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/70 "2016-09-27T15:01:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Is it destroyed? What about it is destroyed? Tire tracks in some mud DESTROYS the mud? It was damaged just as if some vandals damaged your front yard or your house. Because it doesn’t impact me, you being upset if someone destroys all your property is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/71 "2016-09-27T15:03:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I wasn’t aware that the rocks and mud in these vandal threads affected somebody’s ability to get to work. Is that the case? You have now officially lost. According to you it doesn’t matter if vandals destroy a rock formation or a dry lake bed but now it does matter if they destroy a public road if it affects YOU. Glad to find out that you admit you’re a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/72 "2016-09-27T15:07:14Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > It was damaged just as if some vandals damaged your front yard. Your question wasn’t “What right do they have to damage it?” Let’s see what the question was: > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > No but it didn’t belong to the vandals either so what right did they have to destroy it? Yep, your question used “destroy”. So now, either your question is stupid, or you are stupid for believing they destroyed something by leaving tire marks on mud. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/73 "2016-09-27T15:09:20Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > And besides, if some vandals DID tear up about 3 feet of public street right in front of my driveway, I wouldn’t be sad over the poor asphalt. Are you this stupid or are you intentionally missing the point to troll. Duckbill did not belong to the vandals so they had no right to ruin the formation. The dry lake bed did not belong to the vandals so they had no right to ruin the surface. Again your point leads one to the conclusion that if vandals broke into your home and destroyed all of your property that would be OK as long as they left the pieces. Do you agree with that statement? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/74 "2016-09-27T15:10:07Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > You have now officially lost. According to you it doesn’t matter if vandals destroy a rock formation or a dry lake bed but now it does matter if they destroy a public road if it affects YOU. Glad to find out that you admit you’re a hypocrite. Not quite. Plus I didn’t know we were playing a winner/loser game. Also, yes, I care more about stuff that affects me then I do about stuff that doesn’t. So what? And even with that, if the outrage was “Vandals knocked over some rocks and traffic on some road was backed up for miles and thousands of people couldn’t get to work, and babies were starving and kittens and puppies were abandoned” then yes, I would agree. “Wahhhh, I can’t look at a rock or a pristine mud collection anymore!” - not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/75 "2016-09-27T15:11:45Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Again your point leads one to the conclusion that if vandals broke into your home and destroyed all of your property that would be OK as long as they left the pieces. Do you agree with that statement? No, because AGAIN, my stuff is private property. Rocks and mud - not private property. Seems like a simple concept. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/76 "2016-09-27T16:36:26Z")
Mutual trolling. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/77 "2016-09-27T16:39:49Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Mutual trolling. 😃 Nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/78 "2016-09-28T08:55:09Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No, because AGAIN, my stuff is private property. Rocks and mud - not private property. > > Seems like a simple concept. Not simple enough for you, apparently. Public property = not just any individual’s property to do with whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/79 "2016-09-28T12:28:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Not simple enough for you, apparently. > > Public property = not just any individual’s property to do with whatever they want. OMG, thank GOD you came along to point this out! I would have NEVER known that vital piece of information! When the “do with whatever they want” amounts to ROCKS being rearranged, or tire tracks in some MUD, who cares? Not me, THAT’S who! And if you are SO outraged by rocks being knocked over, or some mud being disturbed, that you go online and post about how outraged you are because people can’t look at rocks, or a dry river bed, perhaps you should read more about actual REAL injustices in the world that happen to REAL people, and not rocks or mud. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655/80 "2016-09-28T12:50:09Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > OMG, thank GOD you came along to point this out! I would have NEVER known that vital piece of information! That’s certainly evident from your posts. > [@](#): > > When the “do with whatever they want” amounts to ROCKS being rearranged, or tire tracks in some MUD, who cares? Not me, THAT’S who! You expend quite a lot of effort telling us you don’t care about something. > [@](#): > > And if you are SO outraged by rocks being knocked over, or some mud being disturbed, that you go online and post about how outraged you are because people can’t look at rocks, or a dry river bed, perhaps you should read more about actual REAL injustices in the world that happen to REAL people, and not rocks or mud. I’d respond to this but I’m too busy being annoyed by bigger assholes than you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-national-park-asshole-vandal/766655.md?page=5)