# Another One for smith537 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184 "2005-11-29T06:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/41 "2005-11-29T22:04:03Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > Like I said, I’ve been there. I felt like I was never going to get better and I wanted to kill myself. Can you imagine being under 10 years old and already wanting to die? It’s not nice. I was diagnosed at 16, but didn’t get proper treatment until I was 23. Approx. 7 years old until 23 years old. That’s about 16 years of untreated depression. I’ve paid my fucking dues. And I’m not “recovered”, or “better”. I’m just finally stable. I learned already that clinical depression never really does disappear; you can only manage it. > I thought many many **many** times about killing myself. And you know the reason, the _only_ reason why I didn’t? Because I knew the pain it would cause my family would be too much for them. Why should I make all of them suffer just because I was suffering? It’s not like I was terminally ill with something like cancer or MS that had _no chance of hope._ I was young and healthy and had a shot at a good future. Now, looking back, I’m glad I didn’t kill myself, because it really would have been a waste. > > If someone is irreversibly physically ill with something where they’re wasting away slowly and a painful death is certain, then that’s different. But if someone is suicidal due to depression, it IS worth it to keep trying to get better. I’d say we would have to agree to disagree, but I don’t feel it’s my place to determine when enough is enough for another person. The guilt thing stops most serious suicidal thoughts from actually playing out. I’d guess that many of those can be treated and that the person will eventually find some degree of happiness. But there are depressed people who simply don’t respond to treatment. They should have the same right over their life as they do over what treatment to take for cancer. The same right as a person who makes any other decision with their body. It simply isn’t anyone’s place to tell another person what to do with their body. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@Sweet\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/42 "2005-11-29T22:21:09Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > Not my importance, society’s. And when it comes to suicide, yes, I think a little social intervention is called for. > > If you’re pitting people that are dismissive of depression, I’m all behind you. **msmith357** may be brusque, but did he deserve a personal pitting for his actual post content? No. I’ll admit that I came out very strongly against you in this thread because it seems _very_ clear to me that you’re saying that suicide should be on the table. I don’t think that’s a reasonable view, although that’s back to the original thread. > > Again, I know that you’ve dealt with this struggle personally before, and I’m sorry, I’m truly sorry. I’ve experiened some part of that hell, but I also know that I’ve only skipped through the first circle of what a hell that can be. You have my best wishes, but I absolutely cannot condone leaving suicide on the table as a possible option. I’ll talk more if you’d like me too. I would say that **msmith575** deserved this pitting. His every response was childish, crude, and obtuse. As far as whether or not suicide is an option, I would rather have that discussion in more depth in the GD thread. Looking at it, [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347101) was just opened that is more direct. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@Sweet\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/43 "2005-11-29T22:23:20Z")
Personally, I would like to perhaps add to the pit a bit: I am really tired of seeing people just spout empty, out-of-context, utterly meaningless statistics in regards to something as unquantifiable as suicide. Just because someone thinks that “99.999999% of suicides are unacceptable!!”—besides being obviously made-up—it has no bearing on any real situation. Suicide is something that needs to be addressed by means of philosophy, religion, psychology, etc. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/44 "2005-11-29T22:26:04Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Good lord, **msmith** , what’d you do this time? _finishes reading thread_ I upset a crazy person. Now go back to playing with your 70 cats, you psycho. The problem with insane people is that they don’t see the world like the rest of us do. You know who I have compassion for? The sane people in their lives who actually care about them. The people who have to endure their ranting and mood swings and “you just don’t get it’s”. Having to constantly endure their abuse when they accidently set them off because they weren’t sensitive to their “special needs”. Imagine the frustration of having \*\*faithfool \*\* rant at you “I CAN’T GET HELP!! I’M DEPRESSED!!!” whenever you tell him/her to get some help. \*\*faithfool \*\* is the emotional equivalent of a guy in a wheelchair who snaps and curses at everyone around them, bashing people with his chair if they don’t get out of the way fast enough. “Oh that’s all right. He had some bad luck” people say as they walk on eggshells. Everyone else sees a poor wheelchair-bound cripple. I see a prick in a wheelchair. I’m sorry you’re depressed, but I don’t care. I’m not your friend or your family member and I don’t need to put up with your misplaced anger and abusive posts. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/45 "2005-11-29T22:41:42Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I upset a crazy person. Now go back to playing with your 70 cats, you psycho. Awwww. You’re cute too, you mysoginistic, totally devoid of anything remotely resembling humanity little misanthrope. > [@](#): > > The problem with insane people is that they don’t see the world like the rest of us do. You know who I have compassion for? The sane people in their lives who actually care about them. The people who have to endure their ranting and mood swings and “you just don’t get it’s”. Having to constantly endure their abuse when they accidently set them off because they weren’t sensitive to their “special needs”. Imagine the frustration of having \*\*faithfool \*\* rant at you “I CAN’T GET HELP!! I’M DEPRESSED!!!” whenever you tell him/her to get some help. > > \*\*faithfool \*\* is the emotional equivalent of a guy in a wheelchair who snaps and curses at everyone around them, bashing people with his chair if they don’t get out of the way fast enough. “Oh that’s all right. He had some bad luck” people say as they walk on eggshells. Everyone else sees a poor wheelchair-bound cripple. I see a prick in a wheelchair. > > I’m sorry you’re depressed, but I don’t care. I’m not your friend or your family member and I don’t need to put up with your misplaced anger and abusive posts. Then go elsewhere, sweetie. Your pitting, just like the rest of the world, can go on smoothly without you. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/46 "2005-11-29T22:46:01Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I upset a crazy person. Now go back to playing with your 70 cats, you psycho. > > The problem with insane people is that they don’t see the world like the rest of us do. You know who I have compassion for? The sane people in their lives who actually care about them. The people who have to endure their ranting and mood swings and “you just don’t get it’s”. Having to constantly endure their abuse when they accidently set them off because they weren’t sensitive to their “special needs”. Imagine the frustration of having \*\*faithfool \*\* rant at you “I CAN’T GET HELP!! I’M DEPRESSED!!!” whenever you tell him/her to get some help. > > \*\*faithfool \*\* is the emotional equivalent of a guy in a wheelchair who snaps and curses at everyone around them, bashing people with his chair if they don’t get out of the way fast enough. “Oh that’s all right. He had some bad luck” people say as they walk on eggshells. Everyone else sees a poor wheelchair-bound cripple. I see a prick in a wheelchair. > > I’m sorry you’re depressed, but I don’t care. I’m not your friend or your family member and I don’t need to put up with your misplaced anger and abusive posts. Way to go **msmith537**. If you thought the pitting was bad before, you haven’t seen anything yet. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@Sweet\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/47 "2005-11-29T22:46:39Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I don’t need to put up with your misplaced anger and abusive posts. Ironic statement of the century? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/48 "2005-11-29T23:10:15Z")
> [@Sweet Mercury](#): > > Ironic statement of the century? Did I personally insult anyone? Did I call anyone names? Nope. Only thing I did was tell someone (maybe a little bluntly) that their problems were not the biggest problems in the world. > [@rayh](#): > > Way to go msmith537. If you thought the pitting was bad before, you haven’t seen anything yet. Please…no…not that. I don’t know how I can sleep knowing that someone out there is thinking bad thoughts about me. Yes…I know how it goes. A bunch of losers will chime in with “he’s a jerk” and “asshole” and what not. I’ll belittle them some. Maureen will make references towards my sexuality, hiding her own secret attraction for me, Eventually I’ll have some actual work to do in the office and your moms will call you up from your basements to pick out your clothes for tomorrow and that will be that. Have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/49 "2005-11-29T23:16:53Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Did I personally insult anyone? Did I call anyone names? Nope. Only thing I did was tell someone (maybe a little bluntly) that their problems were not the biggest problems in the world. Well, you pretty much called\*\* faithfool\*\* insane, and strongly implied that she was just a whiner. You are a disgusting piece of trash, and it surprises me not at all to discover that you are an equivocating asshole as well. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/50 "2005-11-29T23:23:13Z")
When someone is pitted and others come in and say that the pitting isn’t deserved because the pittee didn’t do anything wrong and blah blah blah and then the pittee shows up and reveals what an enormous fucktard he is? That’s golden. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/51 "2005-11-29T23:27:22Z")
Wow… msmith537, that was probably the most disgusting thing I’ve ever read on the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/52 "2005-11-29T23:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > The sane people in their lives who actually care about them. The people who have to endure their ranting and mood swings and “you just don’t get it’s”. Having to constantly endure their abuse when they accidently set them off because they weren’t sensitive to their “special needs”. Imagine the frustration of having faithfool rant at you “I CAN’T GET HELP!! I’M DEPRESSED!!!” whenever you tell him/her to get some help. As blunt as he may have been with this, I sort of agree with this part of his rant. ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/53 "2005-11-29T23:36:03Z")
Not the part high-lighting **faithfool** , though. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/54 "2005-11-29T23:37:43Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > As blunt as he may have been with this, I sort of agree with this part of his rant. Do you have any knowledge that this actually happens the way he describes? Especially the part about **faithfool**? Would you like to read it again and reconsider your agreement? ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/55 "2005-11-29T23:41:02Z")
Not really. I know I have treated my parents that way and I feel really bad about it. Also, I stated that I wasn’t agreeing with any part that high-lighted **faithfool** , dude. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/56 "2005-11-29T23:41:56Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > As blunt as he may have been with this, I sort of agree with this part of his rant. So if someone has a verifiable disease which cannot be treated properly and which governs their personality and mode of thought… they’re to blame for it? Maybe I should get angry at my senile grandmother when she forgets things? I’d wager that anybody who has suffered and struggled with chronic depression and tried every medicine known to man without any real gain would maybe not be totally down with the idea that they could just “do something” and “snap out of it.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/57 "2005-11-29T23:42:40Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > The problem with insane people is that they don’t see the world like the rest of us do. What do you mean by “us,” you fuckin’ sociopath? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/58 "2005-11-29T23:43:04Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > As blunt as he may have been with this, I sort of agree with this part of his rant. **Faithfool** cannot be accused of not seeking help (not that it’s anything to be “accused of” in any case). So since that part of his rant is stupid and objectively false, which part do you agree with? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/59 "2005-11-29T23:44:30Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > Not really. I know I have treated my parents that way and I feel really bad about it. Also, I stated that I wasn’t agreeing with any part that high-lighted **faithfool** , dude. Well, that was a simulpost. So, you are saying that you were insane? Literally insane? We are not talking about someone being a brat here. **msmofoasswipe** is accusing the insane of being malingerers, and causing more problems for their loved ones than they themselves are having. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184/60 "2005-11-29T23:45:28Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > That **msmith357** is blunt and often obtuse is a given. Especially to anyone that has been around since '99. > > I’ve dealt with my own issues of depression and even suicidal ideation, and while **msmith357** isn’t one to pad his arguments, this is, in my opinion, a weak fucking pitting. > > One thing that he has absolutely right is that suicide is unequivocably unacceptable for 99.99999% of the population. . Just to be fair, you are stipulating that 1 out of every 10,000,000 people have a legitimate reason for suicide. Maybe you should have stuck with 99% or 98% because I find it hard to beleive, that world wide, only 1 out of 10,000,000 people have a painful, horrifying debilitating disease that they yearn to be freed from. Under your assertion, if there were ten billion people in the world, only 1,000 people would be dying of debilitating diseases. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-smith537/333184.md?page=4)