# Another One for the Memory Hole? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 11, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644 "2004-05-11T16:42:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Razorsharp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@Razorsharp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razorsharp)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/121 "2004-05-18T18:59:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The USS Liberty horse has been dead for many years and requires no further beating. Ten official US investigations and three Israeli investigations have shown the attack to be nothing more than a case of mistaken identity. [Here](http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty2.html) is a listing of the pertinent investigations, you of course may wish to reach investigation if you wish. From Adm Moorer report: > [@](#): > > To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel’s attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel’s attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members. > > A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel’s attack was “a case of mistaken identity.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/122 "2004-05-18T19:19:15Z")
That is interesting, we’ll have to find out if the investigations in my cite ever happened. So did the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence meet in 1979 and find that there was no merit to Seaman Ennes’ claim? Did the National Security Agency in 1981 find that the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel? Did the CIA report of 6-13-67 find that the attack was a mistake? It might take some time to track these down. The sailors that testified to the contrary could be sincere, just mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/123 "2004-05-18T19:23:23Z")
> [@Razorsharp](#): > > From Adm Moorer report: Adm. Moorer is a nutcake. He’s so paranoid he was spying on Nixon! I’m not making that up. ---
**Author:** ![Razorsharp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@Razorsharp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razorsharp)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/124 "2004-05-18T19:30:08Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The practice of reporting the race of _people_ in any context when race was not germain to the story ended inthe 1960s. If you are unaware of that, perhaps you are simply making up the rest of your “theories” without data, as well? I seem to recall providing data, courtesy of the FBI. The problem you have with that data, is that it runs contrary to the diversity fantasy. Tell ya what. I’ll agree to what you are proposing. The media ended the practice of reporting the race of criminals in the mid-sixties. Since that time, the interracial crime statistics have become more disparate. At least that is what you are insinuating by saying that I should use the crime statistics of that era instead of the 2002 stats. That would mean that since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act in the mid-sixties, the minority crime rate has increased. Taking it to the next logical conclusion, one could then make a case that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and that “Jim Crowe” laws did serve a legitimate purpose. Is this the case you are trying to make? ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/125 "2004-05-18T19:43:54Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > While we are fighting the ignorance of Razorsharp’s xenophobic response to the news article, would you mind not perpetuating yet another stereotype for the gullible to react to? > > Don’t forget that East Tennessee has been a major producer of U-235. It is the home of Oakridge and folks in that area may know more than you give them credit for. This incident happened closer to the N.C. border, but Tennesseans in that part of the state are aware of their vulnerability. Overreact much? My point is that most local law enforcement would be more likely to label something conventional like a petroleum product as a fuel source than they would be to recognize enriched uranium on the spot, not that small town law enforcement is composed of hicks and rubes who don’t know shit from shinola (I’m from Abilene, Texas, population 115,930). If y’all have some special knowledge or training in identifying nuclear fuel, fine. Don’t bite my frickin’ head off. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/126 "2004-05-18T21:05:58Z")
**Moderator’s Note:** **Razorsharp** , please read our [policy on copyright issues](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2079030#post2079030). Don’t post entire articles to the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/127 "2004-05-18T21:25:45Z")
> [@Razorsharp](#): > > Taking it to the next logical conclusion Buddy, you’ve never taken anything to the _first_ logical conclusion. When folks have shown you the huge flaws in your analysis (namely, that they’re only significant when you assume equal numbers of black and white people, let alone when you don’t adjust for economic differences in crime rates), you’ve responded by clinging to a liar’s educational credentials. Address the arguments before you and maybe we can get somewhere. However, you seem much keener on plagiarizing tinfoil-hat theories and parroting racist authors than on addressing the arguments before you; that’s why I gave up on you in the first place. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Razorsharp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@Razorsharp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razorsharp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/128 "2004-05-19T12:57:23Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Buddy, you’ve never taken anything to the _first_ logical conclusion. When folks have shown you the huge flaws in your analysis (namely, **that they’re only significant when you assume equal numbers of black and white people** , And since there are not equal numbers of whites and blacks in the population, the only means available to assume an equal number of each population is to divide the number of crimes committed by each group into that group’s total population, to get each group’s crime rate. This is precisely what I did in comparing the interracial crime rate between whites and blacks. If you can’t understand that, then you are grossly uneducated. > [@](#): > > let alone when you don’t adjust for economic differences in crime rates) Which is nothing more than an excuse for criminal behavior. > [@](#): > > you’ve responded by clinging to a liar’s educational credentials. And now you are calling Walter Williams, a black man of impecible credentials and national stature (and you didn’t even know who he was, which speaks volumns of your social awareness.) a liar. So, I ask you, just what lie are you referring to? > [@](#): > > However, you seem much keener on plagiarizing tinfoil-hat theories and parroting racist authors… Plagarizing?? You made the charge, now you MUST provide the example. Just what is it that I have plagarized? And what racist author are you referring to? Walter Williams? > [@](#): > > that’s why I gave up on you in the first place. No, you kept getting you nose rubbed in it. Now you have nothing but to try to discredit me by charging me with plagarism? You, “buddy”, are sorely lacking in character. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/129 "2004-05-19T13:22:00Z")
> [@Razorsharp](#): > > And since there are not equal numbers of whites and blacks in the population, the only means available to assume an equal number of each population is to divide the number of crimes committed by each group into that group’s total population, to get each group’s crime rate. This is precisely what I did in comparing the interracial crime rate between whites and blacks. If you can’t understand that, then you are grossly uneducated. Nice debating tactic: ignore the other person’s points for a week or so and then respond to them, once they no longer have the numbers in front of them. If you really care about this, bump your old thread with its vacuous math, and I’ll point in there to my posts that rebutted this idea of yours. > [@](#): > > Plagarizing?? You made the charge, now you MUST provide the example. No problem. From [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), one of the definitions of plagiarizing is “To steal or purloin from the writings of another.” I’ll let you guess which of your posts above fit this definition. Hint: a moderator edited the post. I will grant, however, that the more common definition of plagiarism involves such intellectual theft without attribution, and you did at least tell us whose intellectual property you were stealing. > [@](#): > > And what racist author are you referring to? Walter Williams? Bump your old stupid thread, and that might be clearer to you. I’m referring to the racists Walter Williams was lauding, as i told you before (and you ignored before). Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Razorsharp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@Razorsharp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razorsharp)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/130 "2004-05-20T18:46:51Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I’m referring to the racists Walter Williams was lauding, as i told you before (and you ignored before). Great day in the morning, first you flunk math, and now, reading comprehension. From the column: > [@](#): > > Last June, Jared Taylor, president of New Century Foundation, in Oakton, Va., held a press conference at Washington’s National Press Club to report on the foundation’s recently released study, " The Color of Crime \<[http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html](http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html)\>." **Some of the study’s findings about interracial crime were surprising, so much so that I did an independent verification of the numbers.** > [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3691](http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3691) Now, as anyone can see, make that, anyone who doesn’t suffer from a reading comprehension malady can see, Dr. Williams is not “lauding” anyone anymore than I “plagarized” another’s work. You have been reduced to bastardizing the language in what basically amounts to a personal attack. Or perhaps this is just another reflection on your “education”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/131 "2004-05-20T19:07:59Z")
> [@Razorsharp](#): > > Great day in the morning, first you flunk math, and now, reading comprehension. You dishonest little fellow. Bump your previous thread and I’ll respond to it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/132 "2004-05-20T19:27:13Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] LHoD, Razorshap, cool it or take personal issues to the Pit. LHoD, I don’t believe just quoting something makes you a plagarist, you have to represent it as your own. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644/133 "2004-05-20T19:31:26Z")
My apologies, **Gaudere**. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-one-for-the-memory-hole/244644.md?page=6)