# Another poker rant **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581 "2005-02-23T19:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/41 "2005-02-25T15:03:01Z")
This is why I don’t like that kind of Poker. Give my plain old 5-card any day. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/42 "2005-02-25T16:33:25Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Um, I can’t really fault the other guy’s play here. With a small pair you want cheap flops, which he got. Hit trips, which is again the goal. He probably put you on J9 or AJ, both of which he has covered. It also sounds like you didn’t hammer the pot until the river, when he had the nuts. > > Where, exactly, was his bad play? Sure, bragging about your “mad skillz” is kinda scruffy, but I can’t see fault with his play here. I’m not faulting his play. In penny-ante, I would have probably have bet it the way he did as well. It was the “woo-hoo, I’m a poker ghod” bullshit that I’m grousing about. Plus the fact that I lost with a perfectly good boat. Mutter, mutter, grumble… ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/43 "2005-02-25T16:42:36Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Quite possibly, but tell me anyway. Just that they’re generally of interest only to the teller. That sounds snobby. Don’t get me wrong, I tell bad beat stories as much as anyone. It’s just that when you play enough poker, you see anything and everything happen. Given enough time, it’s virutally guaranteed. > [@Clothahump](#): > > I’m not faulting his play. In penny-ante, I would have probably have bet it the way he did as well. It was the “woo-hoo, I’m a poker ghod” bullshit that I’m grousing about. Fair enough. I can’t stand that either. Take your wins and losses like a man (when applicable). ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/44 "2005-02-25T16:45:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Actually, now that I look at this play again – why didn’t you think he had pocket 3’s or pocket 6’s? What made you go all-in? Many low level schlubs will always slow play their sets. **Otto** may have had a read on this guy as a moron, which he was. Besides, would a good player want to go heads up with pocket 6s or pocket 3s out of position? It’s great if you hit your set but your odds suck if you’re up against an overpair like Ks. (Yada yada yada implied odds whatever.) Btw, for anyone who’s into this type of poker analysis, check out the [2+2 forums](http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthreads.php). ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/45 "2005-02-25T16:51:55Z")
Man, if this is where we can post our bad beats, let me post my most entertaining beat (although it wasn’t really a bad beat). I was sitting at a $10 SnG, with three players left, top two spots get money. I had been knocked around for a while after being chip leader most of the time, and was down to about 2/3ds of the second place player’s stack, when I get dealt pocket rockets. So, I put in a decent raise pre-flop, get re-raised by the first guy. His raise was cold called by the second opponent, and I push all-in. Both people call. Cards flip over: Me: AA First Guy: AA Second Guy: QQ I’m thinking at least I’ll split the pot, when, lo and behold, a Q flops, and that was the end of the tournament for me. I think the most frustrating part was realizing that there was absolutely no way at that point, barring 3 Ks falling, that my hand could improve. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/46 "2005-02-25T16:55:01Z")
It might be better for your blood pressure to simply turn off the chat function and just play. That way you won’t see the dumbass table talk. I had to walk away from poker for a while because the annoying idiots pissed me off way too much. I’ve slowly gotten back into it over the last few months and have done pretty well. I stick mostly to on-line games now and for the most part don’t read the chat comments. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/47 "2005-02-25T16:57:18Z")
I just do not get the ethic of berating folks who don’t play “correctly”. And yes I put correctly in quotes because although I do realize there are ways to play that are deemed correct due to odds etc. If you don’t like getting beat by an “incorrect” play then I suggest you play chess instead. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/48 "2005-02-25T17:02:15Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > I just do not get the ethic of berating folks who don’t play “correctly”. Either do I. As far as I can tell, everyone else who has posted to this thread would also agree with you. This thread is about people who make poor choices according to the odds and manage to win and _then_ berating us. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/49 "2005-02-25T17:09:27Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Either do I. As far as I can tell, everyone else who has posted to this thread would also agree with you. > > This thread is about people who make poor choices according to the odds and manage to win and _then_ berating us. > > Haj I was referring more to people like **Otto’s** opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/50 "2005-02-25T17:35:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Actually, now that I look at this play again – why didn’t you think he had pocket 3’s or pocket 6’s? What made you go all-in? He didn’t know the meaning of the words “slow play.” If he’d had a set on the flop he would’ve re-raised. I knew I had him crushed. He obviously had no clue how much of a dog he was What really sucked was that he kept catching cards. Flopped straights two or three times, rivered pretty much everyone at the table at least once and kept blathering about how great he was and how fine his play was. Bet $3 from the small blind with pocket QQ and the BB folded and he started crowing to me about the way to play big pocket pairs. I’m thinking, fine, if all you want to win with them is 50 cents, great raise. I don’t mind his play of the hand in the slightest. 7 times out of ten he’ll pay me off. What would be nice is just a few more of those went my way. But I can’t really complain too much since I sucked out twice on different people last night (caught a three-outer on the river to make a higher two pair while all in on one, caught a four-outer to make a full house on the river against a straight, broke both people but unfortunately for smaller pots); still, my feeling is if the cards followed the statistics a little more closely for me I’d be up a few thousand dollars at this point. It was his acting like an asshole that pissed me off. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/51 "2005-02-25T18:11:10Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Just that they’re generally of interest only to the teller. Oh, but you should have seen the size of the hand that got away! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/52 "2005-02-25T19:20:49Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I have to vent about this. This is as good a spot as any. I hated the beat of course, but worse than the beat was this dumbass who, upon winning, started berating me as a horrible player. Yeah, you piece of crap motherfucker, calling the pre-flop raise with NOTHING was the mark of a player with mad skillz. You know it, calling the flop with NOTHING was a fucking _genius_ play on your part. Calling a huge bet on the turn with NOTHING other than a draw was goddamn brilliant. You were behind on every fucking street, made three horrible fucking calls and you got lucky; take the fucking pot and SHUT THE FUCK UP. > > Texas Hold’em $0.50-$1 NL(real money),hand#680,332,666 > > Table Torreon,24 Feb 2005 10:24 PM > > Seat1:lakers01($69.95inchips) > Seat2:sundance67($23.80inchips) > Seat3:billy beru($87.15inchips) > Seat4:Kugr84($11.50inchips) > Seat5:Otto4711KC,KD > Seat6:crazyhorse6($19.35inchips) > Seat7:meotto($45.55inchips) > Seat8:uustorm($54.50inchips) > Seat9:pmg119($57.95inchips) > Seat10:smabee($14.80inchips) > ANTES/BLINDS > uustorm posts blind ($0.25), pmg119 posts blind ($0.50). > > PRE-FLOP > smabee folds, lakers01 folds, sundance67 calls $0.50, billy beru calls $0.50, Kugr84 folds, Otto4711 bets $2, crazyhorse6 folds, meotto folds, uustorm folds, pmg119 folds, sundance67 calls $1.50, billy beru calls $1.50. > > FLOP [board cards QS,3D,6D] > sundance67 checks, billy beru bets $4, Otto4711 bets $10, sundance67 folds, billy beru calls $6. > > TURN [board cards QS,3D,6D,9C] > billy beru checks, Otto4711 bets $27 and is all-in, billy beru calls $27. > > RIVER [board cards QS,3D,6D,9C,AD] > SHOWDOWN > Otto4711 shows [KC,KD] > billy beru shows [7D,5D] > billy beru wins $77.75. No, not a terribly good play by your opponent, but nowhere near the level of disaster in the OP. After the flop, he had 43.33% chance to win the hand. After the turn, he was at 31%. Not good pot odds, but, hey, if you like to game, a one-in-three shot ain’t too nutty. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/53 "2005-02-25T22:00:32Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > No, not a terribly good play by your opponent, but nowhere near the level of disaster in the OP. Oh, no question the OP was an uglier beat. It’s not the beat I’m irritated by. 70% of the time I’ll pocket his money. It’s the lecture. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/54 "2005-02-25T22:30:56Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Oh, no question the OP was an uglier beat. It’s not the beat I’m irritated by. 70% of the time I’ll pocket his money. It’s the lecture. No doubt the lecture is annoying. But I probably would’ve paid at least to see the turn. With four outs for the straight, and nine outs for the flush (not knowing you have a diamond), those odds aren’t too bad, and I would’ve pegged you at a high pair. From my perspective, that’s pretty much a 50-50 hand. If you called all-in after the flop, I would defintely take it. After the river, probably not, but it would have depended on my mood… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/55 "2005-02-26T00:55:00Z")
I played a tremendous tournament today, about 40 people, $14 no-limit Hold-Em, no rebuy. I was about the 10th or 12th out. I lost fair and square, all in short on a decent pocket pair. I got beat in hand (my caller had KK to my TT), and he flopped a set. It was really a good time. I played well, I got knocked out well, _and no one I played with was a dick or an idiot._ I’m going back to that casino. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/56 "2005-02-26T09:04:48Z")
> [@](#): > > But I probably would’ve paid at least to see the turn. With four outs for the straight, and nine outs for the flush (not knowing you have a diamond), those odds aren’t too bad, and I would’ve pegged you at a high pair I agree, there was nothing wrong with the pre-flop call. In fact, if you put someone on a high pair, that’s exactly the sort of hand you’d want to take them on with. I don’t have a problem with leading out on the flop, it’s aggressive and there’s a chance that Otto could have been holding AK, once you do that you really have to call the reraise and see the turn. The only thing I would really quibble with is calling the All-in. But, if I’m reading it right, he’s getting 2/1 on his money and (assuming **pulykamell** is right, can’t be bothered to work it out!) he’s 31% to win (although he can’t know for sure that any diamond is a winner for him) so he’s almost got the pot odds to justify that call even. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581/57 "2005-02-26T11:55:46Z")
Actually, on reflection, the thing that I like least in his play is the check on the turn. He can only be behind at that point, if he’s prepared to call all in in that situation, then he’d be much better betting all in and giving himself a chance to take the pot without hitting his draw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-poker-rant/291581.md?page=2)