# Another question for the owners/adminstrators of this board: Replacement Cecil **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 29, 2002, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730 "2002-03-29T12:33:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/141 "2002-04-24T00:06:11Z")
Oderint, dum metuant. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/142 "2002-04-24T00:29:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*Oderint, dum metuant. \*\* ooooh, I love it when you talk dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/143 "2002-04-24T00:50:44Z")
Okay, let’s recap the draft thus far:[ul] 1. **Arnold** seems to be trying to foment some sort of Socialist Counterrevolution where no initial revolution ever occured. This is silly. 2. We have _at least_ eight Registered Dopers dedicated to preserving **Cecil II** ’s status as “Replacement Perfect Master.” 3. Somebody needs to wipe **whitetho** ’s mouth. All that foam is starting to distract the rest of us. 4. I need some help with these hamsters, because **Jerry** called my bluff and left me on my own. 5. **Arnold** is now speaking in tongues. Make of that what you will.[/ul] **Polycarp** is doing most of the heavy lifting around here anyway. Let’s wait to see what he thinks. I’m collecting more tarps. ---
**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/144 "2002-04-24T05:27:30Z")
Well, if **Arnold** is speaking in tongues, is anyone around to decipher what he’s saying? I can’t do it myself, but maybe someone else can. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/145 "2002-04-24T08:20:48Z")
In conclusion, while the proposed solution of denying medication to the inmates of the facility and removing any and all structure from their lives was intriguing, the results were less than had been hoped. We had an equilibrium and a community develop, what we had not, indeed, could not, have expected was the almost gleeful way in which the patients distorted reality. Thankfully, the “worst case” scenerios presented when we proposed this experiment, those of violence, incest, murder and canibalism did not materialize, in this reasearchers augst opinion, it is only a matter of time before the do. To summerize: One of the most mentally unstable members of the community, one Fenris, upon the cesation of medication, siezed upon a hopeless delusion of grandure. He declared himself a mouthpiece for God himself, and proceded to set up a hirearchy that continued to feed his massive ego without accomplishing anything at all. The truly amazing thing is that the other inmates fell all overthemselves offering all sorts of services and devotion to this false God, all the while acknowledging that he WAS a false god. It’s baffeling to me why such a thing would occur. Major religions notwithstanding, it’s not the pattern of behavier that is observed in the normal world. The eagerness with which other patients subordinated themselves to this perceived power figure was starteling, even among the anals of the mentally ill. ( See Appendex C ) Several of the patients expresed syncopatic urges, completely subordinating themselves to the imagine “God Persona”. One patient actually started to forment a counter-movement, based upon socialist theory, while another took refuge in horrible puns and literary references from the entertainment of her youth. The enitre group staedfastly clung to an altered vision of reality, while, and this is the fascinating part, freely acknowleging that they were all deluded. the fact that they, en masse, prefered the delusion to reality is the most interesting thing about this case study. It is recommended that another study be performed exploring this. Funding for that purpose is now being sought. Meanwhile, the participents in this study are being returned to conventional drug and psychiactric therapy. Giving the inmates the “keys to the asylum” was certainly a fascinating exercize, but now it must end. There is no cure here. Unfortunately, the breakthroughs in behaviorial reasearch, Social interaction and revolutionary treatement that we had hoped for did not materialize. The results were nicely sumed up by Dr. Paul Simon in his paper on the experiment when he said: "Now I sit by my window And I watch the cars I fear I’ll do some damage One fine day But I would not be convicted By a jury of my peers Still crazy after all these years Oh, still crazy Still crazy Still crazy after all these years " Until such a time as these patients will recognize their problems and seek help, I recommend that their continued incarceration be the prefered treatement. Sincerely, Dr. Weird Dave Chief Neurologist, SDMB, Ward “G” ---
**Author:** ![Wisest\_Novel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wisest_novel/32/13329_2.png) [@Wisest\_Novel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wisest_Novel)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/146 "2002-04-24T13:06:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Flamsterette\_X \* > \*\*Well, if **Arnold** is speaking in tongues, is anyone around to decipher what he’s saying? I can’t do it myself, but maybe someone else can. \*\* [Standard disclaimer that if I told you, I’d have to…] Wisest Novel, who is decidedly **not** the mouthpiece for anyone in this conflict. Let them hate me provided that they fear me. ---
**Author:** ![Arwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7c8e57/32.png) [@Arwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arwen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/147 "2002-04-24T15:24:30Z")
Looks like Weirddave forgot _his_ medications today… 😛 I believe what Arnold said was “Hail, **Fenris** , our Secondary Cecil. I love you with all my heart and would follow you on my knees to the ends of the earth.” Not in so many words, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lisa\_Ann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lisa\_Ann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lisa_Ann)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/148 "2002-04-24T18:35:47Z")
I don’t need no stinking medication! ---
**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/149 "2002-04-24T19:06:26Z")
I don’t, either! In fact, I greatly resent this aspersion and demand you retract it! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/150 "2002-04-25T17:01:17Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by stv \* \*\* > [@](#): > > To: Cecil II minion mailing list > From: Personnel > Cc: Cecil II > Bcc: Cecil, _The Chicago Reader_ \*\* I cut and pasted the memo, I swear! So, the content of this potentially-_explosive_ memo conveniently “disappears”?!? Coincidence? I think not… stv ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/151 "2002-04-25T17:14:28Z")
And, of course, the spot where you should have gotten me, who was appointed in charge of Personnel, to sign off, _also_ conveniently vanished? Hmmm…something suspicious going on here. :::: checks bottom of hamster cages for shredded memo :::: ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/152 "2002-04-25T18:05:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*Oderint, dum metuant. \*\* - Caligula _Alea iacta est._ - Fenris _Et tu, Fenrius?_ - Cecil O tempora! O mores! Facilis descensus Averno. Quo usque tandem abutere, Fenrius, patientia nostra! Dictum sapienti sat est. ---
**Author:** ![Anubis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@Anubis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anubis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/153 "2002-04-25T21:13:28Z")
You know, the first step to becoming the next Cecil is to actually change your username to **Cecil II**. But I would never, ever want a replacement Cecil. Cecil is Good, Cecil is Great, I surrender my will, as of the state. Cecil is GOD!!! ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/154 "2002-04-26T00:53:12Z")
Well, that tears it. **Colibri** has to go too. Hey **Polycarp** , have you seen **Fenris** (aka **Cecil II** )? The rest of us have been “marching to the front like soldiers,” to paraphrase Kipling, but we haven’t seen our Leader in, like, well, a really long time. I mean, I know the Original **Cecil** only shows up once a week, but this is taking versimilitude(sp?) just a bit too far. Since you, **Poly** , are the smartest and wisest Doper to post to this thread so far, would you be willing to accept the title of \*\* Cecil III\*\*? Think about it. I’m afraid we’ve been abandoned to the wolves here. ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/155 "2002-04-26T02:20:51Z")
Memorandum To: **Cecil II** (aka **Fenris** ) From: **Atreyu** , Director of Counterinsurgency Intelligence Re: The Natives Are Restless Recent intercepted communications indicate the possibility of a _coup_ against your _d’etat_, replacing your leadership with a puppet regime that would seek to obtain legitimacy by using the moniker **Cecil III**. I advise 24/7 surveillance on the following individuals whose loyalties have become suspect: **Exgineer Polycarp Arnold Winkelried whitetho Colibri** Audio surveillance will be best obtained through the mailing of a free Tug-Ahoy[sup]TM[/sup] sample to the last known addresses of the subjects. A microphone hidden within the device will enable unobtrusive observation of these subjects. Computer surveillance will be best obtained through the transmission of a Microsoft Word document that appears to be sent from your office. Within this document shall be encoded an auto-assembler program that will be designed to compile an e-mail snooper 24 hours after its downloading. The program is Windows/Mac/Linux compatible, and is the only program in world that has no known conflict with any type of operating system. With your permission, this office shall proceed in its acquisition of data. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/156 "2002-04-26T02:34:44Z")
I can take a lot of abuse. I really can. I absorbed stunning amounts of ridicule when I was a kid. I grew up, and it stopped, or at least I learned to shrug it off. **Atreyu** , that TugAhoy[sup]TM[/sup] comment was _low_. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/157 "2002-04-26T12:59:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Exgineer \* > \*\ ***Atreyu** , that TugAhoy[sup]TM[/sup] comment was _low_. \*\* well, it would be on **some** people… ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/158 "2002-04-26T22:43:23Z")
**Exgineer** , watch those hamsters real carefully, I think they’re part of **Atreyu** ’s counterinsurgency. My computer hasn’t worked right since that hamster tried to organize my hamsters (thanks for getting it out, by the way. I didn’t know egg foo yung could do that.) so I decided to look into it today. I found that my hamsters had set up some kind of a listening post - it looked much like a Russian ‘fishing’ trawler. I think the Tug Ahoy[symbol]ä[/symbol] comment is just a coverup. ---
**Author:** ![Arwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7c8e57/32.png) [@Arwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arwen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/159 "2002-04-26T23:05:21Z")
I will get an extra tarp for use on **Atreyu** … Can someone arrange for the two of us to meet somewhere secluded in Mexico? ---
**Author:** ![Arwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7c8e57/32.png) [@Arwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arwen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-question-for-the-owners-adminstrators-of-this-board-replacement-cecil/100730/160 "2002-04-26T23:10:36Z")
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