# Another recount circus? Florida. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 2, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638 "2016-12-02T15:05:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/41 "2016-12-02T23:09:30Z")
Sorry that second quote was supposed to be the one you replied to: QUOTE=Morgenstern;19825458]He wasn’t the choice of the people. Hillary got the majority of the votes. [/QUOTE] not the GoodOmens one I posted. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/42 "2016-12-02T23:25:04Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > About that recount spreadsheet I posted - one thing that bothers me a bit… In a lot of precincts the recount total votes do not match the original total. I understand that during the election process, the total number of voters is also marked off in the registration books (at least that is how it was at my voting place). > > Granted, the mismatch is in low single digits, but shouldn’t those match the counting total on the election night, and if not, should they not count again until they do? There is going to be a difference in the number of disqualified/corrupted ballots at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/43 "2016-12-02T23:26:48Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > There is going to be a difference in the number of disqualified/corrupted ballots at the very least. Then those should be reported as well, in both counts, so that the total should match… ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/44 "2016-12-02T23:31:19Z")
Well your spreadsheet link comes up unreadable on my phone so I’ll leave it to others to figure out. ---
**Author:** ![akennett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee59a6/32.png) [@akennett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akennett)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2016, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/45 "2016-12-03T04:52:06Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > They’re _highly_ relevant if you want to know what the majority (or plurality) of US voting citizens would prefer to elect to a national office. No they’re not. You see, some of us actually understand how the presidential election works, so we take that into account when we cast our votes. My state was going to go for the Democratic candidate no matter what, so I had no reason to vote for Hillary or Trump, whether I preferred one of them over the other or not. Given that reality, I chose to cast my vote in a different manner than I may have had their been any real relevance to the aggregate popular vote. This same analysis (or its opposite, with the state assuredly going to the Republican candidate) was easily in the minds of voters in many states. ---
**Author:** ![jonesj2205](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jonesj2205](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonesj2205)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/46 "2016-12-03T12:28:12Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > About that recount spreadsheet I posted - one thing that bothers me a bit… In a lot of precincts the recount total votes do not match the original total. I understand that during the election process, the total number of voters is also marked off in the registration books (at least that is how it was at my voting place). > > Granted, the mismatch is in low single digits, but shouldn’t those match the counting total on the election night, and if not, should they not count again until they do? Not entirely sure I’m following your question, but I think the answer is no. Number of presidential votes doesn’t necessarily equal number of voters since some people deliberately or accidentally neglect to vote for president. And if in a number is transposed or mathematical mistake made on either election night or during the recount those two total votes will not match. I will agree if the total number of votes for president exceeds the total number of voters further scrutiny is warranted. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/47 "2016-12-03T14:15:33Z")
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**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/48 "2016-12-03T14:38:50Z")
> [@jonesj2205](#): > > Number of presidential votes doesn’t necessarily equal number of voters since some people deliberately or accidentally neglect to vote for president. Of course you’re correct. Brain fart on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/49 "2016-12-03T22:52:32Z")
Speaking of circuses: day 2 of Wisconsin recount, 25% recounted, Trump gains 3 votes. > **[Wisconsin Recount Day 2 Totals: Trump Inches Further Ahead in Dec. 3 Numbers...](https://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisconsin-recount-totals-update-day-2-3-1-returns-two-latest-info-news-live-michigan/)** > > Updated Wisconsin Recount Results and totals for day 2 show both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton gained net votes, but not enough to matter. Trump has inched ahead by a few more votes overall. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/50 "2016-12-04T04:24:08Z")
New developments in Florida recount circus: Lawsuit filed to force Florida recount > **[Lawsuit filed to force Florida recount](https://www.palmerreport.com/news/lawsuit-officially-filed-to-force-florida-recount/339/)** > > Crowdfunded lawsuit aims to force Florida recount after suspicious vote totals Fun part of the article: “Donald Trump was officially named the winner in Florida, but by a razor thin margin” That margin is 113K votes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/51 "2016-12-04T05:11:13Z")
Who is Bill Palmer, and why is he a citable source? They don’t have newspapers in Florida? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/52 "2016-12-05T22:23:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Then you shouldn’t have jumped in the middle of two people discussing exactly that. I must have missed the part where you were appointed thread director. C’est la vie. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/53 "2016-12-11T00:46:35Z")
[http://elections.wi.gov/node/4760](http://elections.wi.gov/node/4760) Recount is 95 percent complete. After Friday’s counting, 65 of 72 counties are now complete. All are on schedule to finish by Monday. 2,826,909 ballots have been recounted, approximately 95 percent of all presidential ballots cast (2,975,313). The net change is now +1,442 votes: Trump/Pence +628, Clinton/Kaine +653, Castle/Bradley +17, Johnson/Weld +76, Stein/Baraka +68, Moorehead/Lilly +14, and De la Fuente/Steinberg -14. ---
**Author:** ![pleks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9dc877/32.png) [@pleks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pleks)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638/54 "2016-12-12T22:04:44Z")
Well, the AP reports that the recount in Wiskonsin is over, and Donald Trump picked up additional 162 votes. It’s like the dude promised us we’d get tired of winning, and it all came true, with Donald Trump winning not only the primaries, but the general elections as well. Twice now in a year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-recount-circus-florida/773638.md?page=2)