# Another Rocky movie?! Say it ain't so!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 20, 2006, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884 "2006-12-20T04:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/1 "2006-12-20T04:35:46Z")
See [here.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/) [Sylvester](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Stallone) . . . you’re **60 years old!** Muhammed Ali, **in his present condition,** could eat you for breakfast and spit you out for lunch! So could Pee-Wee Herman! And if you went into the ring with Woody Allen, I’d take the long odds on Woody! **What were you thinking?!!** ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Captain\_C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_C)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/2 "2006-12-20T04:42:49Z")
Strangly enough, the trailer makes me want to go see it. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/3 "2006-12-20T05:05:02Z")
I defy thee not to get goosebumps when you hear the opening notes to “Eye of the Tiger”… – IG ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/4 "2006-12-20T05:06:06Z")
[QUOTE=Improv Geek] I defy thee not to get goosebumps when you hear the opening notes to “Eye of the Tiger”… – IG [/QUOTE] Weird Al’s “Rye or the Kaiser” is better. In every conceivable respect. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/5 "2006-12-20T05:12:51Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Weird Al’s “Rye or the Kaiser” is better. In every conceivable respect. [/QUOTE] Touche. – IG ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/6 "2006-12-20T05:14:07Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] See [here.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/) [Sylvester](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Stallone) . . . you’re **60 years old!** Muhammed Ali, **in his present condition,** could eat you for breakfast [/QUOTE] Maybe so. Rocky however would eat Ali for breakfast 😉 Foreman was quite old when he had his last shot IRL. I see no reason to say that in the Rocky universe that he shouldn’t have another shot. The trailer and early reviews are quite positive. V was a POS but 4 and 3 were so bad they were good. 1 and 2 were very enjoyable IMO. 1 was also quite credible from any perspective you want to look at it from. I’ll give this a watch, I have to say. Kinda looking forward to wanting Rocky to win again if I’m honest about it. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/7 "2006-12-20T11:55:38Z")
I’ve liked TV series with fewer episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/8 "2006-12-20T13:08:02Z")
He dies at the end of the film. Just wait. I’ve an enormous fondness for the first film for many reasons. I’m from Philly and have had a career formed by the man who did that infamous running shot up the Art Museum Steps and through the Italian Market. ( amongst many others in that film ). I may be one of a handful of Steadicam Operators on the East Coast who has **not** made a pilgrimage to Philly to take their own rig and run up the Art Museum Steps. Seriously. Apparently it’s quite the thing to do. Not my style. Setting side my personal involvement, the script for “Rocky” isn’t half bad- in an era of excellent quirky scripts it won Stallone an Academy Award nomination for best original script. Is the story original? Hell no. Is it handled with modern gritty urban nuance? Without doubt. The film was shot for $ 900,000.00. It is fair to say that it has much more than made a tidy return on its investment. It gave people something to cheer about in 1977 in a way they’d not cheered in quite a while. He’s not an idiot. He’s going out to poke holes in his own myth, to humanize the ageing warrior that rests inside of so many men of his age. I don’t see it as a parody at all. He’s taking it all full circle, and that takes some serious nerve to do when you look back and consider what the role meant to his life and career. I cannot wait to see it, and wish to god I could see the premiere. ( Which I assume is happening in Philadelphia ). I’ve friends who worked on the Philly segment of the shoot and who said it was quite the emotional set. Everyone there felt it- it wasn’t another hack job. This isn’t " Rocky XXXXIV ". To put it another way, if the back-story and myth and publicity and public perception of Stallone did not exist, and this older guy with some chops wrote this script and it was produced independantly, would you go to see it? I would. Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/9 "2006-12-20T13:26:52Z")
God, I hope you’re right, Cartooniverse. Since I’ve heard of this movie I’ve thought that the only way to do this is as an examination of aging and that Rocky should die at the end. It would give the movie weight and heft that would bring legitimacy to it. Toss in some humor and a decent performance by Stallone, which, as an aside, he’s capable of bringing, and it should be a good movie. OTOH, if it’s one more romp in the ring it’s a doubtful thing. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/10 "2006-12-20T13:35:23Z")
I’ve never watched any of the Rocky movies. But when I’m a little old lady that nobody would give the time of die to if it wasn’t cos of her money, I’ll still be regaling my nephews with the tale of that time I took a Spanish coworker who was visiting Philly to the Art Museum to see the view and he stared at the view, then at the floor, then turned at me and said: “WOW! These are the stairs from ROCKY! Oh, WOW!” Getting his picture taken there was the trip’s highlight for him. [/hijack] Everything else I’d thought of has already been said by other people. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/11 "2006-12-20T13:36:09Z")
That’s my guess, too. Also, I heard that during the credits (I don’t know if open or closing) [not a PLOT spoiler] that there’s a video montage of just regular people running up the museum steps and throwing their arms in the air. Rocky resonates. What else can you say? I’m looking forward to this one. I was younger, but I always like 1-4. I heard an interview on NPR recently with Sly. He was saying that part of why 5 failed was that people just want to see Rocky in the ring, that’s what they identify with. Sly’s a pretty smart guy. He knows exactly what he’s made, and who it’s for. The interview was funny. He was saying that for years, everyone (naturally) would give him the “Yo, Adrian” walking down the street. He said something like, “I was thinking, ‘Hey, I’m more than that.’ then I realized, ‘no, I’m probably not’.” I’m sure I was the right age, but I like all the Rambo’s too. The first one is awesome. I think Judge Dredd is underrated, too. Not great, but not without some funny stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/12 "2006-12-20T14:25:41Z")
Stallone seems to be a pretty decent, down to earth guy, and since he hasn’t had a hit in ages I hope this does well. Ebert gives it a fat thumbs up, FWIW, which is nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/13 "2006-12-20T14:54:33Z")
The movie is at 77% on the [Rotten Tomatoes](http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/) web site, with 90% of mainstream critics saying it’s a good movie. That’s a pretty good rating. A few reviews are absolutely glowing. Sounds like it’s the best _Rocky_ film since _Rocky_. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/14 "2006-12-20T15:12:38Z")
I think it’s a testament to Stallone’s genius he can actually make the movie everyone’s been making jokes out of for years and no one’s apparently laughing. Me? I won’t see it in the theaters, but I’ll probably catch it on DVD eventually. I already know what to expect from Stallone, but I’m curious what kind of range the guy who plays his son has. I like him well enough in _Heroes_. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/15 "2006-12-20T15:29:53Z")
As my father said when we saw a trailer for _F.I.S.T._, “It’s nice to see there’s still work for inarticulate actors.” ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/16 "2006-12-20T15:39:22Z")
I’m curious why his RL son didn’t return for this one. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/17 "2006-12-20T16:04:23Z")
Not sure how seriously I can take it after hearing Sly hawking the [Rocky as Christian Warrior](http://www.citizenlink.org/clcommentary/A000003061.cfm) line. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/18 "2006-12-20T16:12:25Z")
[QUOTE=duality72] Not sure how seriously I can take it after hearing Sly hawking the [Rocky as Christian Warrior](http://www.citizenlink.org/clcommentary/A000003061.cfm) line. [/QUOTE] Well, so long as he keeps that out of the movie . . . here’s hopin’ . . . Rocky was never that much of a sinner in the first place. Wonder when Britney and Paris are going to find Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/19 "2006-12-20T16:15:58Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] As my father said when we saw a trailer for _F.I.S.T._, “It’s nice to see there’s still work for inarticulate actors.” [/QUOTE] He wrote that one too, didn’t he? I understand the dismissal of Stallone’s acting ability, what with _Rocky IV & V, Cobra, F.I.S.T._ and _Lords of Flatbush_. But have you seen Copland? The guy can act. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884/20 "2006-12-20T17:52:58Z")
Another trivia bit, since The Lords of Flatbush was mentioned. Originally Garry Marshall, et al offered the role of Arthur Fonzarelli to Sly Stallone but he turned it down. He said he had this script he wanted to write and make into a film, and didn’t want to do t.v. instead. They went to the next guy on the list- another actor from The Lords of Flatbush: Henry Winkler. Stallone made “Rocky” and Fonzie became a household name in another way. This came to me from the man who directed the Pilot Episode of “Happy Days”. I shot an episode of " Early Edition" for him years ago. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-rocky-movie-say-it-aint-so/384884.md?page=2)