# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/201 "2018-02-16T21:06:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Um, people getting caught in the crossfire? He’s referencing the incident in Israel where a shooter was stopped by armed teachers. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/202 "2018-02-16T21:07:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I think I have identified the problem. [Classrooms on lockdown](http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/highline-college-locked-down-for-reports-of-gunfire-on-campus/701283395) at Highline Community College after reports of gunfire. This is 2700 miles across to the opposite corner of the country from Parkland FL. > > Clearly the problem is: schools. Just too many of the damn things. I attend a branch of Central Washington University co-located on the Highline campus. I didn’t have classes today but I was watching with a horrible sick feeling as the lockdown alerts were coming into my mailbox. I was emailing with one of my former professors who said people in our building were pretty rattled. Thank goodness no one was hurt, but police from at least four cities were mobilized and one direction of I-5 was shut down for a time. Of course, the human cost is incalculable and it by far the greatest, but these other things have high societal cost, as well. In so many ways, we pay a very high price for our gun culture. The gun-free zone bullshit is a distraction. People who want to carry guns will carry them whether there’s a sign or not. I’m afraid to go to class Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/203 "2018-02-16T21:12:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Um, people getting caught in the crossfire? > > Is this a joke? No, Clothy really is a complete and utter moron. You should know this by now. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/204 "2018-02-16T21:26:18Z")
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**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/205 "2018-02-16T21:54:57Z")
Republicans have been cutting education budgets for years. We don’t have enough teachers, and the one we do have are underpaid. We don’t have enough books, supplies, and non-core/elective classes are being cut out of the curriculum. We have crowded, dirty, unsafe schools. And the Republican solution to school shootings is to spend money we don’t have on more armed security guards, training teachers to shoot, and arming teachers. Funny how they didn’t have the money for school books, but it’ll appear magically for something involving guns. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/206 "2018-02-16T22:19:47Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Republicans have been cutting education budgets for years. We don’t have enough teachers, and the one we do have are underpaid. We don’t have enough books, supplies, and non-core/elective classes are being cut out of the curriculum. We have crowded, dirty, unsafe schools. > > And the Republican solution to school shootings is to spend money we don’t have on more armed security guards, training teachers to shoot, and arming teachers. Funny how they didn’t have the money for school books, but it’ll appear magically for something involving guns. What you can do, see, is take all that money you spend teaching evolution and use _that_. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/207 "2018-02-16T22:23:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [Why Can’t the U.S. Treat Gun Violence as a Public-Health Problem?](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/gun-violence-public-health/553430/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)If you look at the Republicans’ positions on health care, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs concerned with the well-being of the public, it’s abundantly clear that they don’t give a rat’s ass about public health. It’s not something the government should be involved in. Infringement on freedom, etc. Correct. In February 2017, the SCROTUS signed a bill that rescinded an Obama-era regulation barring those with severe mental health issues from being able to purchase firearms Trump’s “budget” also slashed money for school safety/security. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/208 "2018-02-16T23:34:01Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > (snip)And the Republican solution to school shootings is to spend money we don’t have on more armed security guards, training teachers to shoot, and arming teachers. Funny how they didn’t have the money for school books, but it’ll appear magically for something involving guns. The Republicans have been calling teachers incompetent lazy union thugs for decades, and suddenly the solution is to give them guns? Cognitive dissonance rules the day with those guys. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/209 "2018-02-17T00:20:52Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > The Republicans have been calling teachers incompetent lazy union thugs for decades, and suddenly the solution is to give them guns? Cognitive dissonance rules the day with those guys. The advantage Republicans have is that their followers are idiots. They can contradict themselves from one day to another and the idiots won’t know or care. Their current leader is a habitual chronic liar, and his base doesn’t even notice. No one should be surprised that these moronic cretins think that the reason the most gun-infested country in the civilized world has so much gun violence is that it doesn’t have _ **enough** _ guns. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/210 "2018-02-17T00:34:09Z")
Not to belabor the point, but the U.S. was the most gun-infested country in the civilized world in 1960 yet there weren’t mass shootings in schools then. The problem is today’s society, not guns. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/211 "2018-02-17T00:42:50Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > More Muslim immigrants = less crime. Scientific fact. > Quote: > The population of Minnesota Muslims grew most rapidly in the 1990s with the influx of Somalian, Bosnian, and East African refugees. Today there are approximately 150,000 Muslims living in Minnesota, many in the Twin Cities metro area. Dang, we’re almost 3% Muslim now in this state! They’ll be declaring a Caliphate and slapping a Jizya on us any day now! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bored\_work](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ec9cab/32.png) [@Bored\_work](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bored_work)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/212 "2018-02-17T00:48:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hmmm…1963 to 1969. That was the period in which the counterculture revolution, with it’s concomitant drug use and skyrocketing criminality, took root and flourished, yes, no? > > Still, that cite proves nothing other than that lots of people own guns and use 'em to kill people more than with other weapons. Is there anyone bright enough to be reading this board who didn’t already know this? > > And yes, guns are primarily the weapons used in cop killings. And by whom exactly are cops being killed? Yep, criminals! The very same people who will be the only ones who have guns once the government manages to make them illegal. I haven’t heard a single peep anywhere from the liberatti as to just how they intend to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals, and I’ve said many times that I’d be more amenable to gun control should a believably effective plan be put forth as to how to achieve this. But crickets is all I hear, and you know why? Because there is no way to make sure criminals won’t have guns once they’ve been been made illegal. “When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns” may be something liberals like to mock just like they like to mock ‘Won’t somebody think of the children’ but both are valid concerns among those nor enmeshed in the allure of the drugs, sex and rock n’ roll lifestyle. > > Any cop will tell you that cooperation from the public is the only reason laws are obeyed, that if everyone in society decided all at once to start ignoring stop signs and traffic lights and began robbing each other, the police would be utterly powerless to stop it. The fact that our society is as orderly and safe as it is, is the result of society as a whole accepting the benefit of certain ways of behaving and adhering to those standards. And to the degree they do everyone else follows suit, usually without even thinking about it. That is how society in this country used to be. People behaved because everyone else did. (And spare me the rare exception that proves nothing.) People obeyed the law because that’s what people did. They coped with adversity because that’s what people did. They disciplined their children and made sure they behaved and hopefully did well in school because that’s what people did. And they didn’t shoot up schools because that’s not what people did. > > Now it’s like half the country has decided they no longer have to obey the rules of the road and the chaos that life in the U.S. has become is the result of that. Kids can’t be disciplined by either their parents or their schools, drugs are everywhere, 7-11s sell women’s magazines in plain view whose covers extoll the proper way to give blowjobs, everybody in the country is a victim, which is no surprise since victimhood serves both as an excuse for a crappily lived life and to bestow undeserved moral superiority. It’s like a Get Out Of Jail Free card for responsibility. And with victimhood comes an inability to cope with the fact that things happen in life that you don’t like or that make you feel bad about yourself and you come to feel the whole world is against you. So you become a ne’er do well living in your parents’ basement playing video games all day or you go shoot up a school. > > The fabric of society was as it was in the 50s and 60s because it had evolved that way organically and stood the test of time. It had its problems and its flaws but nothing is perfect and it served to keep everyone on the same page and society functioning smoothly. And now the peace and love that the counterculture crowd foolishly foresaw has turned into a seething mass of divisiveness and groups that hate each other for having ‘victimized’ someone with everyone jostling to out-virtue signal each other and find some way to call everyone else an asshole. > > This country is a fucking mess, and like I said upthread, it’s not only gonna get worse it’s going to get a hell of a lot worse before society finally comes to the realization that a society ruled by whim, shortsightedness, irresponsibility, anger and alienation cannot hold together and begins acting like grown ups again. My first post and all but looking at your posting history it seems like you thought fucking a paper towel cardboard tube was an effective method of defending a child molester. Starving Artist, you’re clearly a fucking idiot. Your time is better spent licking a window somewhere aboard a short bus. Why the fuck do any of you fucks take this fucking idiot seriously? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/213 "2018-02-17T00:48:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not to belabor the point, but the U.S. was the most gun-infested country in the civilized world in 1960 yet there weren’t mass shootings in schools then. > > The problem is today’s society, not guns. You’re absolutely right. We should ban society immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/214 "2018-02-17T00:51:17Z")
> [@Bored\_work](#): > > Why the fuck do any of you fucks take this fucking idiot seriously? No one does. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/215 "2018-02-17T00:53:36Z")
Maybe the problem is that our leaders’ thoughts and prayers are not effective enough? What if we elected people with really really powerful thoughts and prayers? ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/216 "2018-02-17T00:55:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No one does. No one at all, including people off the board. **Starving Artist** is a useless, impotent fuckwit yelling at clouds and getting sputteringly angry at news reports he can’t understand. Laughing at a dumbass on a message board doesn’t mean that we take his 500-page manifesto about how Jane Fonda and Maynard G. Krebs ruined the perfection of 1950s America seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/217 "2018-02-17T01:02:45Z")
> [@Bored\_work](#): > > Why the fuck do any of you fucks take this fucking idiot seriously? I’ve had him on my ignore list for years. I don’t see his stuff unless people like you quote him. UserCP, top left Edit Ignore List on left side. Don’t talk about your ignore list outside of the pit unless you want a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Bored\_work](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ec9cab/32.png) [@Bored\_work](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bored_work)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/218 "2018-02-17T01:06:46Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I’ve had him on my ignore list for years. I don’t see his stuff unless people like you quote him. > > UserCP, top left > Edit Ignore List on left side. > > Don’t talk about your ignore list outside of the pit unless you want a warning. Fair enough. He still clearly lacks any sort of addition to the discussion. The guys a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/219 "2018-02-17T03:02:08Z")
> [@Bored\_work](#): > > Why the fuck do any of you fucks take this fucking idiot seriously? We don’t. We mostly just point and laugh at him. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/220 "2018-02-17T03:04:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No one does. Funny that your sock detector didn’t trigger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=12)