# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/221 "2018-02-17T03:05:24Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You’re absolutely right. We should ban society immediately. Right:D:p Given the choice a million times between the society of 2017 and the society of 1957 I’ll take 2017 as a bloody obvious no-brainer for absolute superiority every time. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/222 "2018-02-17T03:24:50Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Correct. > > In February 2017, the SCROTUS signed a bill that rescinded an Obama-era regulation barring those with severe mental health issues from being able to purchase firearms Oh? Social security recipients who need assistance handling their financial affairs have severe mental health issues? Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/223 "2018-02-17T04:45:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Funny that your sock detector didn’t trigger. It just did! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/224 "2018-02-17T04:56:29Z")
**Starving Artist** strikes me as probably a nice guy, but he’s just so wedded to the idea that America has gone to hell since the 50s, no matter the experiences of many other Americans, that I find it kind of impossible to discuss anything related to that with him. No matter what the problem is, he blames it on liberals, and he refuses to consider that maybe his experiences, and those close to him, are not representative of tons of other Americans, and those other experiences are just as valid and true as his own. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/225 "2018-02-17T04:58:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Minnesota: Rrecord number of gun ownership; lowest violent crime rate in 50 years. > > [Cite](http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15/reality-check-gun-permit-background-checks/) ISTR something that happened in Red Lake that involved a school, some guns and a few dead people. Of course, that was on the res, so it does not count, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/226 "2018-02-17T05:33:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Starving Artist** strikes me as probably a nice guy, but he’s just so wedded to the idea that America has gone to hell since the 50s, no matter the experiences of many other Americans, that I find it kind of impossible to discuss anything related to that with him. No matter what the problem is, he blames it on liberals, and he refuses to consider that maybe his experiences, and those close to him, are not representative of tons of other Americans, and those other experiences are just as valid and true as his own. He’s a torture-supporting lowlife. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/227 "2018-02-17T06:55:33Z")
> [@Bored\_work](#): > > My first post and all but looking at your posting history it seems like you thought fucking a paper towel cardboard tube was an effective method of defending a child molester. Starving Artist, you’re clearly a fucking idiot. If you think, and I mean really and truly think, that I was defending Sandusky in that thread then I’m not the one who’s a fucking idiot. As a matter of fact, even if you just sort of think that you’re still a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/228 "2018-02-17T07:23:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Starving Artist** strikes me as probably a nice guy, but he’s just so wedded to the idea that America has gone to hell since the 50s, no matter the experiences of many other Americans, that I find it kind of impossible to discuss anything related to that with him. No matter what the problem is, he blames it on liberals, and he refuses to consider that maybe his experiences, and those close to him, are not representative of tons of other Americans, and those other experiences are just as valid and true as his own. Thanks, **iiandyiiii**. I appreciate that. The thing is, yeah, things were worse for some people back then. But what was wrong could have been remedied without the hugely problematical consequences of the counterculture revolution and its aftermath. The counterculture revolution never occurred in order to secure better rights for women and black people anyway, and predated those movements by about six or seven years. What the counterculture revolution was about first and foremost created by the British musical invasion kicked off by the Beatles and the other British bands that followed. So young people started wanting to wear their hair long, dress crappily, do drugs and bed-hop without having to get married first, all of which created a huge generation gap and brought them in for a lot of abuse from the adults of the time. That then gave rise to the idea that everything associated withe the older generation (i.e., the ‘Establishment’) had to be overturned or rejected outright, which in the fashion of both the young and liberals in general, meant throwing the baby out with the bath water accompanied by a singular lack of concern for the consequences. All this began circa 1964 and by the time race and women’s issues came to the fore in '70/'71 people had already been fucking their lives up with drugs, making themselves unemployable by their attitudes, and having kids without benefit (to the kid) of a stable two-parent home, for six or seven years. The idea that the counterculture revolution came about to fight racism and sexism is both a myth and a fallacy. It was 90% about pleasure and 10% about Vietnam. ETA: And if you want to know who the real Trump voters are out there, they’re comprised of millions of people who grew up at the same time I did and feel the same way I do, if not moreso. And surprisingly enough most of the ones on my Facebook feed are women. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/229 "2018-02-17T07:35:14Z")
I don’t doubt you are right about many Trump voters. That doesn’t mean they aren’t small-minded, provincial, bigoted fuckwits. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/230 "2018-02-17T07:37:57Z")
Doesn’t mean they are either. They just want to live in an adult country again. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/231 "2018-02-17T07:43:28Z")
Yeah, Clinton’s childishness and lack of professionalism would’ve been tough to take in a President. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/232 "2018-02-17T08:45:10Z")
And a propos my main point about current society being the cause of school shootings, this just popped up on my Facebook feed. > [@](#): > > "Washington sheriff after latest school shooting: "You started glorifying cultures of violence – you’ve glorified the gang culture, you’ve glorified games that actually give you points for raping and killing people. Gun didn’t change. We changed.” [Link (from last Sept.)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P89CBU8E6jU) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/233 "2018-02-17T08:54:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Doesn’t mean they are either. They just want to live in an adult country again. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are joking by saying this about voting for Trump of all people. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/234 "2018-02-17T09:13:18Z")
The overwhelming draw for Trump is that he appears to be the last hope for turning all this nonsense around. It’s what MAGA is all about and it’s why he got elected. There was a pro-Trump image going around on social media prior to the election with Sam Elliot saying, “We the people have had enough of this shit!” That sentiment bore fruit when Trump was elected. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/235 "2018-02-17T09:20:06Z")
I’m #sorrynotsorry, but anyone who thought that Trump was the ticket to a more “adult” country (unless you mean “adult” in the sense of “porn”) is a blithering idiot. Romney, OK. McCain, fine. Bob Dole, sure. Dubya, no. Trump, HELL no. GTFOOH with this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/236 "2018-02-17T09:36:08Z")
It’s enough to make one think they didn’t really pull the lead from gasoline after all. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/237 "2018-02-17T09:39:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The overwhelming draw for Trump is that he appears to be the last hope for turning all this nonsense around. It’s what MAGA is all about and it’s why he got elected. There was a pro-Trump image going around on social media prior to the election with Sam Elliot saying, “We the people have had enough of this shit!” That sentiment bore fruit when Trump was elected. Exactly. Maybe some voted out of spite, I could actually understand that. People want to be left alone and not told how they are supposed to speak, act, dress etc. to fit in with what the media depicts as normal. People are tired of the whining and making excuses for the shortcomings of others. That is why he got elected. Just my theory. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/238 "2018-02-17T09:45:38Z")
I think it’s because he promised to make the brown people go away. You could try to convince me that nazis and the Klan sing Trump’s praises because they’re tired of being told how to dress (“no, really, white’s definitely your colour”) but I don’t think you’ll get far. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/239 "2018-02-17T09:46:52Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m #sorrynotsorry, but anyone who thought that Trump was the ticket to a more “adult” country (unless you mean “adult” in the sense of “porn”) is a blithering idiot. Romney, OK. McCain, fine. Bob Dole, sure. Dubya, no. Trump, HELL no. GTFOOH with this. Nope. The perception, and I think it’s correct, is that with any of those guys it would just be business as usual, with the Republicans making promises that they promptly forget about once elected. Conservatives have largely lost faith in the Republican party to actually _do_ anything, and that’s why Trump mopped the field with all the other Republican candidates. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/240 "2018-02-17T10:02:45Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It’s enough to make one think they didn’t really pull the lead from gasoline after all. We have Blue states and Lead states? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=13)