# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/281 "2018-02-18T04:52:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Emma Gonzalez for President. This girl is a superstar. > [x.com](https://twitter.com/dividepictures/status/964985824386273280) I came here to say that her parents raised a great kid, and we’ll be hearing more from her in the future - in a good way. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/282 "2018-02-18T04:55:36Z")
One of the surviving Parkland students is the granddaughter of a man who, as a young child, hid in a closet when this man entered his house back in 1949. I don’t know any further details, except that he obviously survived. > **[Howard Unruh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Unruh)** > > Howard Barton Unruh (January 21, 1921 – October 19, 2009) was an American mass murderer\[note 1\] who shot and killed thirteen people during a twelve-minute walk through his neighborhood in Camden, New Jersey, on September 6, 1949 in an incident that became known as the Walk of Death. Unruh was found to be criminally insane and died in 2009 after a lengthy illness at the age of 88 following 60 years of confinement. > His shooting spree is the deadliest mass shooting by a lone perpetrator in New Je... ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/283 "2018-02-18T05:12:53Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I can’t tell whether **SA** is claiming that people really seldom used swear words before the '60s or just that people seldom used swear words **in public** before the '60s. > > Neither claim is totally true but the latter is much closer to true than the former. People definitely knew and used words like “fuck” and “cock” and “cunt” before 1960, but they were mostly verboten for public use. Maybe, maybe not. I guess it depends on where you lived, and what class you were part of. Funny thing though, people felt much, much freer to say “nigger” or “kike” back in the day. I think I know what I prefer. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/284 "2018-02-18T05:48:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Funny thing though, people felt much, much freer to say “nigger” or “kike” back in the day. I think I know what I prefer. I know the version of “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe” I learned as a child back in the '50s was catching something other than a tiger in the second line. And “Little Black Sambo” was on the children’s library shelves, fully illustrated. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/285 "2018-02-18T05:50:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They just want to live in an adult country again. Just for a moment taking all your subjective opinion on the decline in American culture as fact, you do realize you can’t unring a bell, yes? I mean we will _never_, and I do mean **never** , return to the United States as it was in the 1950’s/early 1960’s. It is quite simply impossible to engineer society in that fashion( I mean for one thing it was an economically anomalous period in history ). You can’t do it with gentle suasion and you also couldn’t _really_ accompish it even in a genuine autocracy. So lamenting the good old days really doesn’t accomplish much other than annoying and alienating people who either didn’t live them or don’t agree with your view of them. It sounds much like old colonial elite ex-pats from Africa and Asia bemoaning the golden age before the independence movements of the 1960’s. So if you can’t truly turn the clock back, what are your talking points for going forward? Because that is the only direction we can go, however you may wish otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/286 "2018-02-18T06:02:03Z")
Are you all really going to allow the delusional old bigot to derail yet another thread? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/287 "2018-02-18T09:15:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As for all the rest of this shit since I was here last, including **Monty’s** continued lies which I’ll be happy to list, List my lies, then. Be specific. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/288 "2018-02-18T10:17:15Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Are you all really going to allow the delusional old bigot to derail yet another thread? Since we’ve got two of these threads running in parallel here in the Pit, we can afford to let one of them go astray. This is the former MPSIMS thread that **Loach** punted over here, let it digress. The serious debate, if there is one, can continue in the ‘[tree of liberty](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=849275)’ thread. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/289 "2018-02-18T10:27:10Z")
[ul] [li]“You think that the legalized racism was the good old days”[/li][/ul] [ul]"You think…that those who were victims of night riders “had it a little bad”[/ul] I’ve been a guest or a member of this board for fifteen years. I’ve made over 16,400 posts. And there is not one shred of evidence in any of them that I have ever said any such thing or even thought any such thing. You made them those accusations up out of whole cloth and asserted them as though they were absolute fact with absolutely no substantiation whatever. I could call you are a rapist or wife-beater with the same amount of evidence that you have to back up your claims. And your behavior is especially egregious in light of the fact that as an SDMB Science Board Member, your words carry more weight than those of the average poster. [/LIST] And then, when I called you out for your lies, you had the nerve to post the following: [ul] [li]I am not a liar.[/li][/ul]Yes. Yes, you are. This is another lie. And then: [ul] [li]“You’re either posting stupid, dishonestly, drunk, or on drugs, or a combination of the foregoing. Frankly, I don’t give a tinker’s damn which. **Where did I say thhe only reason you appreciated the 1950s was racism?** ”[/li][/ul][bolding mine] What the hell? I swear you must be taking whatever drugs **Kimstu** is on, when, in the face of Maxine Waters’ lecturing the president of Shell Oil that she was “this liberal, who’s about socialize…uh, uh…pause…the government taking over, and running your companies”, she had the gall to claim that Waters never said she was a socialist and that the clip doesn’t prove she is. But whatever, and no matter what kind of mental malfunctions you clearly have going on, yes, you most certainly did say the only reason I appreciate the 1950s is racism and there’s no way you can claim otherwise. (I hope you’re not going to pull a Bill Clinton and claim that my accusations are false because of the word ‘only’, since you threw in a couple of other equally erroneous bon mots to accompany that claim. And now we come to a couple of other assertions that, while not rising to the level of lies, show that you either haven’t read my posts for comprehension or just skipped over them looking for tidbits you can find dismissible or fodder for attack. These are: [ul][I believe] that the social ills in the schools did not happen. [/ul] I’ve never said social ills did not happen back then. What I’ve said is that mass school shootings did not happen back then. And I stand by that, primarily due to the fact it’s true. The fact that some random kid did indeed get shot back then does not in any way refute or nullify what I said about no mass shootings in schools back then. I swear, if I were to make a claim that bombings didn’t happen in school in the 1950s, you or some other nitwit would haughtily post an incident where some kid set off a cherry bomb in the classroom and claim I was full of shit. The disingenuousness and dishonesty on this board is breathtaking. And finally: [ul] [li]You have a rosy view of the past.[/li][/ul]I have no such thing. I grew up in that era and am completely familiar with the types of crime that were going on then and the types of social problems that existed. The point I’ve made over and over again to people who refuse to listen is that the 1950s only seem rosy when compared to the idiocy endemic in today’s society. I’m going to call it a night now and won’t be back to respond until tomorrow or maybe tomorrow night. But at least now you’ll have to confront the fact that you are indeed a liar and have nothing but an empty sack to back up your claims. I’ve previously held a fairly high opinion of you despite some of the things you’ve said to or about me, but your behavior in this thread has thoroughly disabused me of whatever regard I ever had for you in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/290 "2018-02-18T10:29:29Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Since we’ve got two of these threads running in parallel here in the Pit, we can afford to let one of them go astray. This is the former MPSIMS thread that **Loach** punted over here, let it digress. The serious debate, if there is one, can continue in the ‘[tree of liberty](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=849275)’ thread. Who the hell died and made you a mod? This is about the most ridiculous instance of junior modding I’ve ever seen on this board. People can post anywhere they damn well please, thank you very much. You can be damn sure I will. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/291 "2018-02-18T10:40:45Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Points in video games ? What is this, 1980 ? > > Also, feel free to list one (1) game where rape awards points of any kind. Hell, feel free to list one (1) game where the _protagonist_ commits rape (I was going to say “where rape is featured at all”, but then I remembered playing a few games with rapes in them. Typically you get to kill the perpetrator. When you don’t it’s because the games was made in Russia or some other post-Soviet state and that’s just because their outlook on life in general is “life is dour and dark, there’s no justice and people will torture each other over a crust of bread, pass the vodka” :D). “Custer’s Revenge” > **[Custer's Revenge](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge)** > > Custer's Revenge (also known as Mystique Presents Swedish Erotica: Custer's Revenge) is an adult action game published by American Multiple Industries for the Atari 2600, first released in November 1982. The game gained notoriety owing to its goal of raping a Native American woman who is tied to a post. > The titular player character is based on Lieutenant Colonel and Brevet Major General George Armstrong Custer, a famous American cavalry commander who is most well known for his major defeat and... ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/292 "2018-02-18T10:51:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Who the hell died and made you a mod? > > This is about the most ridiculous instance of junior modding I’ve ever seen on this board. People can post anywhere they damn well please, thank you very much. You can be damn sure I will. Well, we know who got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! Guess I don’t need to come over and piss in your Cheerios, seems it’s been done already. 😃 And if you are of the opinion that my “we’ve got the same debate going in two Pit threads, so we can afford to let **Starving Artist** derail this one” comment constitutes junior modding, there’s a little red triangle in the upper right hand corner of each post. Knock yourself out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/293 "2018-02-18T10:55:47Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Also, feel free to list one (1) game where rape awards points of any kind. Hell, feel free to list one (1) game where the protagonist commits rape (I was going to say “where rape is featured at all”, but then I remembered playing a few games with rapes in them. Typically you get to kill the perpetrator. When you don’t it’s because the games was made in Russia or some other post-Soviet state and that’s just because their outlook on life in general is “life is dour and dark, there’s no justice and people will torture each other over a crust of bread, pass the vodka” > **[The Disturbing New Trend In 'Grand Theft Auto' Is Virtual Rape](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-theft-auto-rape_n_5671400)** > > The Disturbing New Trend In 'Grand Theft Auto' Is Virtual Rape > [@](#): > > In a disturbing new trend, “Grand Theft Auto V” gamers are virtually raping the avatars controlled by other people playing online. They then post videos of their exploits on YouTube. > [@](#): > > A Reddit user with the handle “mrerikmattila” described the experience of being a victim. “You cannot kill him and there is nothing you can do about it,” he wrote of his virtual rapist. “Worse, when he’s done, you are stuck doing strip dances.” > > Rockstar Games, which publishes the series, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. > [@](#): > > when a video-game blogger at PlayStation Universe thought he encountered a rape scene in “Grand Theft Auto V,” Rockstar responded that the episode in question was “meant to depict and imply cannibalism, not rape.” > [@](#): > > Sadly, virtual rape isn’t new to video games. Earlier this year, video-game writer Kim Correa described her own virtual sexual assault in the zombie apocalypse game “DayZ.” Two armed men cornered her character, made her strip, killed her and simulated having sex with her body. The players could speak to her through the video game the entire time. If even an allegedly doddering old man like me (which for the record is far from the truth) can know about this stuff I’m shocked that you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/294 "2018-02-18T10:55:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > {…} I swear you must be taking whatever drugs **Kimstu** is on, when, in the face of Maxine Waters’ lecturing the president of Shell Oil that she was “this liberal, who’s about socialize…uh, uh…pause…the government taking over, and running your companies”, she had the gall to claim that Waters never said she was a socialist and that the clip doesn’t prove she is. {…} Well, yeah, because; “this liberal, who’s about socialize…uh, uh…pause…the government taking over, and running your companies” is not the same thing as, “I am a socialist”. So, no, the clip _doesn’t_ prove she is a socialist. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/295 "2018-02-18T11:07:24Z")
Suspect to cops: "You know what? Yeah, I ki…uh, uh…pause…strangled her and left her for the buzzards. SA: See, I told you that guy was a murderer. SDMB: He never said he murdered her, so no, he’s not a murderer. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/296 "2018-02-18T11:08:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I’ve said is that mass school shootings did not happen back then. And I stand by that, primarily due to the fact it’s true. Well, mass _school_ shootings didn’t happen before Columbine, did they? That was **1999** , 32 years after the Summer of Love. Would make way more sense to blame mass school shootings on Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich and the rise of conservatism in the 1980s and 1990s, if we’re going to look at them as a discrete phenomenon, distinct from mass shootings in general. But if we accept that mass school shootings are just one head of the hydra of mass shootings, then I reiterate what I said earlier: > [@RTFirefly](#): > > You know _why_ they didn’t happen? Because while there were handguns and hunting rifles back then, high-capacity semi-autos like AK-47s and AR-15s were pretty much unknown in civilian life. > > Shootings could and did happen, but mass shootings almost never happened because of the great difficulty in committing one. Take the [University of Texas tower shooting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting) back in 1966. The shooter had been a Marine sharpshooter, and he was picking people off from a vantage point 230 feet above the ground. Over the course of 90 minutes, he killed 14 people. > > How long did it take the Newtown shooter to mow down 20 kids and 6 adults 46 years later? It was [less than five minutes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Mass_shooting_begins) between the time he used his Bushmaster to blow out a window next to the school’s locked entrance, and the time he killed himself. And he hardly needed any special skillz to slaughter a couple dozen people in just a few minutes. > > _There’s_ what’s rotten with the culture: _that we allow the presence of weapons in civilian life whose only use is to kill a shitload of people in a hurry._ It’s a moral sickness, and it’s [overwhelmingly a Republican sickness](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00101). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/297 "2018-02-18T11:13:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, we know who got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! Guess I don’t need to come over and piss in your Cheerios, seems it’s been done already. 😃 Actually I haven’t been to bed yet and I suspect I’m coming down with the flu. 😉 So yeah, it’s been a long day. Apologies if I misinterpreted your comments. ETA: And now I’m out. Might address the above tomorrow. We’ll see if I can arse myself. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/298 "2018-02-18T11:16:45Z")
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**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/299 "2018-02-18T11:19:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Suspect to cops: "You know what? Yeah, I ki…uh, uh…pause…strangled her and left her for the buzzards. > > SA: See, I told you that guy was a murderer. > > SDMB: He never said he murdered her, so no, he’s not a murderer. > > :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: You really are stupid aren’t you? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/300 "2018-02-18T11:20:22Z")
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