# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/341 "2018-02-22T13:40:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Now that I think about it, Crusader Kings 2 actually allows Christian monarchs to force women into concubinage, so long as they’re a tribal ruler and not a feudal lord. I am reminded of Harry Turtledove’s story “Islands in the Sea”, in which Christian and Muslim emissaries each try to convert a Bulgar Khan to their faith. The Khan recognized that realpolitik is driving him to align with one side or the other, but is a bit dismayed at having to choose between giving up polygamy and giving up alcohol. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/342 "2018-02-22T15:47:43Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I am reminded of Harry Turtledove’s story “Islands in the Sea”, in which Christian and Muslim emissaries each try to convert a Bulgar Khan to their faith. The Khan recognized that realpolitik is driving him to align with one side or the other, but is a bit dismayed at having to choose between giving up polygamy and giving up alcohol. :eek: I read that story I think. Didn’t he end up choosing Islam? If it had been me that’s what I would do, it would probably be easier to do secret drinking than secret sex. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/343 "2018-02-22T16:33:28Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I read that story I think. Didn’t he end up choosing Islam? If it had been me that’s what I would do, it would probably be easier to do secret drinking than secret sex. To some extent - it’s difficult to do secret drunk off your gourd 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/344 "2018-02-23T00:24:35Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > To some extent - it’s difficult to do secret drunk off your gourd 😃 Depends on how well you can hold your liquor. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/345 "2018-02-23T04:00:12Z")
I’m curious about where all those “civilian volunteer guards” are now and why they’re not guarding the schools. You know the ones I’m talking about, those who showed up to “protect” military recruiters. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/346 "2018-02-23T05:24:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Another immigrant.](http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200992699.html) Don’t need any more of those, do we? :rolleyes: West Point accepted him posthumously. Trump will probably make him an honorary white person. I wonder if he had calves the size of winter melons? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/347 "2018-02-23T06:07:05Z")
I had no idea that there was a strictly American commandment. “Americans, thou shalt each own as many firearms as possible”. Must have missed that lesson in Sunday School. > I wonder if this commandment was followed by another: “And thou shalt not come crying to me about dead children”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/348 "2018-02-23T06:11:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Another immigrant.](http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200992699.html) Don’t need any more of those, do we? :rolleyes: Immigrant? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/349 "2018-02-23T22:00:41Z")
Coral Springs city police claim the Broward County sheriffs who arrived on the scene hid behind their cars and didn’t go inside the school with them. > **[Sources: Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering...](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html)** > > When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy... ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/350 "2018-02-23T22:04:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Coral Springs city police claim the Broward County sheriffs who arrived on the scene hid behind their cars and didn’t go inside the school with them. > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html) Oh, good grief. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/351 "2018-02-23T23:43:16Z")
So apparently both the FBI and local law enforcement got all kinds of warnings. For example: > [@](#): > > A person close to the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school warned the FBI she was concerned he would “get into a school and just shoot the place up,” according to a transcript of her call with a bureau tip line operator more than a month before the massacre. > The transcript, obtained by The Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman’s efforts on Jan. 5 to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz’s propensity for violence and his troubled past. > “You know, it’s just so much,” she said on the call. “I know he’s—he’s going to explode.” She said she was making the call because she wanted a “clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up.” > The FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call. But the transcript, and the stark nature of the caller’s precise warnings about Mr. Cruz’s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn’t been made public. > **[FBI Tip-Line Caller Said Nikolas Cruz ‘Is Going to Explode’ - WSJ](https://archive.is/8C6C8)** > > archived 23 Feb 2018 20:07:42 UTC ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/352 "2018-02-23T23:49:31Z")
Here is the full transcript: > **[fbi-transcript.pdf](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2018/02/23/fbi-transcripts/assets/fbi-transcript.pdf)** > > 283.22 KB ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/353 "2018-02-24T00:17:21Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’m curious about where all those “civilian volunteer guards” are now and why they’re not guarding the schools. You know the ones I’m talking about, those who showed up to “protect” military recruiters. Are those guys still doing that, or did they get their 5 minutes of attention? I seem to recall that not going well. > **[Armed Civilian Guarding Military Recruiting Office Accidentally Discharges Rifle](https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/armed-civilian-guarding-military-recruiting-office-accidentally-discharges-rifle/)** > > Army Recruiting Command says it's worried that gun-wielding volunteers at recruiting centers are going to "cause young Americans interested in joining the Army to decide not to visit our centers." ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/354 "2018-02-28T03:55:53Z")
Glenn Haab admits that he doctored the emails from CNN to make it look like they scripted his son’s questions at the gun control forum. > **[Shooting survivor’s father admits email changes in CNN spat](https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/27/shooting-survivors-father-admits-email-changes-in-cnn-spat/)** > > Colton Haab's father acknowledges omitting some words from the email but says he didn't do it on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/355 "2018-02-28T03:59:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Glenn Haab admits that he doctored the emails from CNN to make it look like they scripted his son’s questions at the gun control forum. > [Shooting survivor’s father admits email changes in CNN spat](http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/27/shooting-survivors-father-admits-email-changes-in-cnn-spat/) Your cite doesn’t say what you said it says (why do you do this?): > [@](#): > > Colton Haab’s father acknowledges omitting some words from the email but says he didn’t do it on purpose. That’s the sub-headline from your link. The following is in the text of the story: > [@](#): > > Haab acknowledges omitting some words from the email but says he didn’t do it on purpose. You post a lot of great links, **Rick** , but you undermine your own credibility fairly often by posting things that are simply not contained in the stories you link to. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/356 "2018-02-28T04:08:03Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Your cite doesn’t say what you said it says (why do you do this?):That’s the sub-headline from your link. > > The following is in the text of the story: > You post a lot of great links, **Rick** , but you undermine your own credibility fairly often by posting things that are simply not contained in the stories you link to. Right. That’s why he shopped it to FOX NEWS with the words omitted. Of course it was fucking intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/357 "2018-02-28T04:10:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Right. That’s why he shopped it to FOX NEWS with the words omitted. Of course it was fucking intentional. I’ll say it again: the story you linked to does not say what you said it did. Do you contest that? Please show me where in the story you cited, it says what you claimed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/358 "2018-02-28T04:51:18Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’ll say it again: the story you linked to does not say what you said it did. > > Do you contest that? Please show me where in the story you cited, it says what you claimed. No, I think it does say that. Glenn Haab claims that he just accidentally “omitted some words”. The words were > [@](#): > > This is what Colton and I discussed on the phone [del]that he submitted[/del]. He needs to stick to this. I see that as grossly altering the meaning of those two sentences together. But, if you are not dishonest, you forward an e-mail as-is. Why the fuck would you alter the content? There is literally no way for a forthright person to _accidentally omit_ some words. Why those specific words, if his intent was not to misrepresent the meaning? No, in this case, **Rick** is on point. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/359 "2018-02-28T04:55:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No, I think it does say that. Glenn Haab claims that he just accidentally “omitted some words”. The words were > > I see that as grossly altering the meaning of those two sentences together. > > But, if you are not dishonest, you forward an e-mail as-is. Why the fuck would you alter the content? There is literally no way for a forthright person to _accidentally omit_ some words. Why those specific words, if his intent was not to misrepresent the meaning? > > No, in this case, **Rick** is on point. Then you aren’t reading the words in the article. Nowhere in the cite does it say what **Rick** claimed it said. In fact, it says the opposite: that it was not deliberate. You’re free to read in whatever you want, but the words “admits that he doctored the emails from CNN to make it look like they scripted his son’s questions at the gun control forum” do not appear anywhere in the cite, nor is there anything written that supports that conclusion. The article isn’t long; there aren’t that many words to quote, but there are none that align with what **Rick** claimed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/360 "2018-02-28T05:06:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The article isn’t long; there aren’t that many words to quote, but there are none that align with what **Rick** claimed. I concede that what **Rick** wrote is not in the article. He tends to summarize, and often gets it wrong. But the point is, Glenn Haab forwarded an altered (according to CNN) e-mail to Fox. Haab claims it was an accident, but I cannot see an accidental way for that to happen. You click “Fwd-\>”, you enter a recipient, you hit send: anything more than that is dishonest. Selectively deleting some of the sender’s words is dishonest and not “accidental”. In this case, **Rick** ’s summary is good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=19)