# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/541 "2018-05-18T16:30:58Z")
#thoughtsandprayers ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/542 "2018-05-18T16:44:18Z")
“Nothing can be done” says the only country where this regularly happens. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/543 "2018-05-18T17:06:55Z")
Seems like we ought to be able to negotiate a better deal on the price of freedom. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/544 "2018-05-18T18:00:41Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Seems like we ought to be able to negotiate a better deal on the price of freedom. Any deal would be a better one, if the people who are all so insistent on gun rights were the ones who paid for their ‘freedoms,’ rather than offloading the cost onto random members of the public. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/545 "2018-05-18T18:02:16Z")
A guy with a rifle, an American flag, and a MAGA hat showed up at Santa Fe High School to “show his support” > **[Man shows up to site of Santa Fe High School shooting with American flag,...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-shows-sight-santa-fe-150800287.html)** > > "I believe in the Second Amendment, I believe in everything, but this guy is walking into a crime scene with a pistol on him. This is an embarrassment." ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/546 "2018-05-18T18:08:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A guy with a rifle, an American flag, and a MAGA hat showed up at Santa Fe High School to “show his support” > [Man shows up to site of Santa Fe High School shooting with American flag, Trump hat and gun](https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-shows-sight-santa-fe-150800287.html) Correction: It was a pistol. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/547 "2018-05-18T18:17:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A guy with a rifle, an American flag, and a MAGA hat showed up at Santa Fe High School to “show his support” > [Man shows up to site of Santa Fe High School shooting with American flag, Trump hat and gun](https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-shows-sight-santa-fe-150800287.html) Reading your linked article, I note that it seems to have been a handgun, not a rifle. The only conclusion to be drawn is that, whatever position you advance on the issue, the exact opposite is the only one that is objectively factual. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/548 "2018-05-18T18:23:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > #thoughtsandprayers The Lord responds to calls for “thoughts and prayers”: > [@Isaiah 1:15](#): > > When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/549 "2018-05-18T18:31:04Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The Lord responds to calls for “thoughts and prayers”: Sometimes at sports games, people hold up bible verses that have some sort of relevance. I do wonder if Isiah 1:15 needs to start making the rounds. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/550 "2018-05-18T19:00:41Z")
I’d do it myself if I showed up at sports events. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/551 "2018-05-18T19:03:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Reading your linked article, I note that it seems to have been a handgun, not a rifle. > > The only conclusion to be drawn is that, whatever position you advance on the issue, the exact opposite is the only one that is objectively factual. :dubious: Yeah, I corrected that, but too late to edit my initial report. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/552 "2018-05-19T02:22:48Z")
[Parkland student: “DO SOMETHING.”](https://apnews.com/dbd734a9c7864561bc12555b7eb6d4e2/%22DO-SOMETHING:%22-Parkland-students-angry-after-Texas-shooting) > [@](#): > > “My heart is so heavy for the students of Santa Fe High School. It’s an all too familiar feeling no one should have to experience. I am so sorry this epidemic touched your town — Parkland will stand with you now and forever,” Parkland student Jaclyn Corin said in a tweet. > > She also directed her frustration at President Donald Trump, writing “Our children are being MURDERED and you’re treating this like a game. This is the 22nd school shooting just this year. DO SOMETHING.” > [@](#): > > Classmate David Hogg, who helped start the #NeverAgain movement with Corin, predicted that politicians would descend on the Texas campus acting like they care to boost their approval ratings. > > Cameron Kasky echoed their sentiments on Twitter: “Prepare to watch the NRA boast about getting higher donations. Prepare to see students rise up and be called ‘civil terrorists’ and crisis actors. Prepare for the right-wing media to attack the survivors.” > [@](#): > > Stoneman Douglas student Kayla Renert recalled how she traveled to Washington for the massive gun reform rally in March. > > “On the bus in D.C., I said we continue to say never again but it keeps happening again. This was again. We worked hard to make Douglas the last mass school shooting and unfortunately three months later there was another,” said the 15-year-old sophomore. Hang in there; this was never gonna happen quickly (unfortunately). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/553 "2018-05-19T05:05:33Z")
All these school shootings, church shootings, shootings outside stores…committed usually by white Christians, and the rightists quake in fear of Muslims and non-white immigrants. Yeah, nothing’s going to get fixed until there’s a major societal attitude change. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/554 "2018-05-19T05:51:20Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Hang in there; this was never gonna happen quickly (unfortunately). Twenty years of thoughts and prayers should tell you that some people view their safety blankets as more important than innocent lives. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/555 "2018-05-19T14:36:52Z")
A school shooting leaves 10 people dead, and today it was not even a lead story. It was just another school shooting. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/556 "2018-05-19T15:16:06Z")
AOL reported that the Santa Fe shooter was bullied {[Cite](https://www.yahoo.com/news/santa-fe-high-school-student-202330470.html)} … even by the adult staff … I know, I know, I know … much easier condemning guns and let the brutal teasing continue … Kip Kinkel is appealing his _de facto_ life sentence BTW … I’m not trying to excuse the shooter’s actions … he should serve the appropriate time in prison … but let’s not let the intimidators off the hook … if the AOL story is true, then I think all involved should face charges, especially the adults who participated in the teasing … our children should be safe at school from guns, knives AND bullying from the coaches … AFAIK … In Oregon the parents can be held criminally responsible in such a case for not having their guns locked up … ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/557 "2018-05-20T05:27:53Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > A school shooting leaves 10 people dead, and today it was not even a lead story. It was just another school shooting. Well, to be fair, there _was_ a royal wedding going on, dontcha know. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/558 "2018-05-20T05:52:29Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > ur children should be safe at school from guns, knives AND bullying from the coaches … This is one of the many problems I have with school sports (including “cheer”) as they’re currently constituted. Any other school club is run like a school club and has a faculty adviser who not only helps teach the students whatever the focus of the club is, but also helps the students learn what school sports teams purportedly exist to teach. But that’s not the reality of today’s school sports at any level. The focus is on fame for the school, more money for the sports program, and of course a coach who is mostly concerned with _his_ win-loss record so he won’t be out of a job. Put all of that together and of course the coaches will bully someone. Let the damn pro leagues run their own training and recruiting leagues and let the school teams go back to being school clubs. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/559 "2018-05-20T05:54:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > All these school shootings, church shootings, shootings outside stores…committed usually by white Christians, and the rightists quake in fear of Muslims and non-white immigrants. Yeah, nothing’s going to get fixed until there’s a major societal attitude change. All these street shootings and crimes…committed usually by Black Christians, and the leftists quake in fear of White Christians and following the rule of law. Yeah, nothing is going to get fixed until there’s a major societal attitude change. Do you feel that? That is what it sounds like on the other side of the coin, Monty. Double Standards, hypocrisy etc… Tired of this double standard bullshit. Anyone who kills another if not out of self defense, is a scumbag, regardless of what their fucking ethnic or religious background is. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/560 "2018-05-20T05:56:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > This is one of the many problems I have with school sports (including “cheer”) as they’re currently constituted. Any other school club is run like a school club and has a faculty adviser who not only helps teach the students whatever the focus of the club is, but also helps the students learn what school sports teams purportedly exist to teach. But that’s not the reality of today’s school sports at any level. The focus is on fame for the school, more money for the sports program, and of course a coach who is mostly concerned with _his_ win-loss record so he won’t be out of a job. Put all of that together and of course the coaches will bully someone. Let the damn pro leagues run their own training and recruiting leagues and let the school teams go back to being school clubs. Or the easiest solution, don’t let your kid get involved in the sports in the first place. Accountability. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=29)