# Another School Shooting \[Stoneman Douglas\] (2/14/2018) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843 "2018-02-14T20:22:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/81 "2018-02-15T07:22:55Z")
[The problem is guns - the number of them.](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts) Have a read through that article, and tell me why people are ignoring the “well-regulated” part of the Second Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/82 "2018-02-15T07:27:51Z")
Just watched a video on liveleak of crying students running out of the school with dead bodies all over the floor, like a horror movie. Truly gut-wrenching footage, what a nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/83 "2018-02-15T08:07:24Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > It’s asking way too much for a teacher, or a school administrator to shoot to kill. Or to wound. They’re not trained in combat, why take the chance to make a bad situation worse? Not only that, but what are the chances of a student somehow getting ahold of a teacher’s gun and shooting either themself or another student? I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that it’s orders of magnitude greater than the possibility that the teacher takes out an active shooter. Anyway, [thoughts and prayers](http://nonadventures.com/2017/11/18/a-moment-of-paws/)…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/84 "2018-02-15T08:23:26Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > First, this “shit” _ **was** _ going on back in those good old days, in many years even worse than today – so much so that in 1969 President Johnson convened a special commission on gun violence. Cite that as many mass school shootings took place anywhere in this country in 1960, 1969 or any other year where stable two-parent homes and meaningful school discipline were the norm? The closest thing I can remember is the Charles Whitman shootings at the University of Texas in 1966 or so, and that was a HUGE deal nationally for the very reason that such a crime was virtually unheard of. Once upon a time in this country, running in the halls and chewing gum in class were typical of the behavior problems that teachers most had to deal with save for the occasional fistfight that broke out between a couple of teenage boys. Then came the counterculture revolution with non-existent or fluid and often-changing parental presence (often complicated by drug use), social promotion in schools, participation trophies, criminalizing of corporal punishment, culture of victimhood, etc., etc., etc., and you get to where we are today. Of course there has always been gun violence in this country, but it was nowhere near the scale or frequency of what’s going on today. And the reason is that there are too many kids who can’t cope with life. If guns weren’t available they’d be stabbing people or running them over with cars or blowing them up with bombs…you know, like what happens in your vaunted countries where guns are hard to come by. We have a huge societal problem in this country and it’s going to get a lot worse before people begin to wise up and realize that a society that mockingly asks “Won’t somebody think about the kids” needs to start fucking thinking about the kids. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/85 "2018-02-15T08:38:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Arm the teachers. Or at least the administrative staff. Correct! Then you need to sandbag the teachers in the classrooms. If that doesn’t work, put the students in orange suits and handcuff them to their desks - this will certainly help with mental arithmetic. Best option: close schools, save money and encourage children to learn online. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/86 "2018-02-15T08:39:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The problem isn’t guns, it’s the way people are being raised and/or schooled (or not) in today’s culture. This shit wasn’t going on in 1960. There are lessons to be learned from that. MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/87 "2018-02-15T08:49:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … needs to start fucking thinking about the kids. I’m always thinking about fucking the kids! ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/88 "2018-02-15T09:46:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > There’s not a whole lot that can be done to prevent these things without infringing on inalienable rights. It’s one of the prices we pay for living in a free society. I thought I lived in a free society, but Irish children aren’t being shot in their classrooms every week so I guess we missed something. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/89 "2018-02-15T09:54:24Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > When these fucking shit stains are arrested and it is 100% that they did it, they should be immediately stoned to death very very slowly. Yeah? you see nothing wrong with demanding (and obviously relishing) bloodthirsty and summary vengeance and then wondering why a disturbed kid with a perceived grievance chooses that option for himself? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/90 "2018-02-15T10:25:40Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > There’s not a whole lot that can be done to prevent these things without infringing on inalienable rights. It’s one of the prices we pay for living in a free society. > [@bucketybuck](#): > > I thought I lived in a free society, but Irish children aren’t being shot in their classrooms every week so I guess we missed something. Having lived in both the US and now (the apparently Unfree) Australia - I’ll take Australia. Somehow, I don’t feel like my liberties are in danger, not having the ability to murder in an instant. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/91 "2018-02-15T11:22:18Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Having lived in both the US and now (the apparently Unfree) Australia - I’ll take Australia. Somehow, I don’t feel like my liberties are in danger, not having the ability to murder in an instant. As an Australian you do have that ability to murder in an instant. It’s just more messy and usually involves more danger to yourself. Or you can just spend the money to get a gun license. When I lived there it was only $60. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/92 "2018-02-15T11:35:32Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > So you believe that every civilized democracy on earth isn’t really free? :rolleyes: > > [Rather strange thinking.](http://https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659) And tragically wrong. What every civilized democracy on earth believes is that reasonable gun control is one of the prices we pay for the freedom to not get shot, the freedom to send our kids to school without fear that we may never see them again. Here’s what I’m getting at… if you want to stop these kinds of things, more restrictions and background checks won’t do squat; you’re going to have to get rid of all the AR-15s out there. (Not to mention all the AKs, FALs,semi-auto handguns, etc.). Want to see 10,000X more bloodshed than you saw yesterday? Try confiscating these guns. Again, there is nothing that can be done on the “gun control” side of the issue. The best thing we can do is improve security at the schools. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/93 "2018-02-15T11:55:21Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > I was talking to my daughter about this, and we agreed that the discussion will mention mental health, then stop. If mental health/illness is a part of the problem, then it must be fucking addressed, not just mentioned once and never again. > > But it’s too hard to actually do something about it. Or more accurately, it’s too expensive. The problem might be that to act on mental health issues will violate the persons civil rights. Can we forcibly incarcerate a person we think is violent and mentally ill without violating their civil rights? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/94 "2018-02-15T12:26:38Z")
> [@pool](#): > > If > This happened in America, if race is mostly a social construct, calling someone white in America conjures up certain images. The census categories also consider Middle Easterners and North Africans as white, but most Americans probably don’t consider these groups white, you can’t have it both ways, Hispanics usually get lumped in with “persons of color”, you are trying to label him with a social identity he probably doesn’t even self identify with, and you clearly have some axe to grind, the only person whining is you. You are doing the very thing you are preemptively accusing these white bigots of doing, ignoring reality if it doesn’t fit the narrative in your own mind. Why do you feel the need to label him white? Is that what your most important takeaway of this incident is? +1 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/95 "2018-02-15T12:28:08Z")
Arming the teachers just means that eventually one of the teachers will be the one who goes berserk and kills a bunch of people. > [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > I was talking to my daughter about this, and we agreed that the discussion will mention mental health, then stop. If mental health/illness is a part of the problem, then it must be fucking addressed, not just mentioned once and never again. > > But it’s too hard to actually do something about it. Or more accurately, it’s too expensive. _And_ too hard; as in, outright impossible for the purposes of shootings like this. We don’t have the ability to identify people who would do something like this beforehand; any “warning signs” are shared by a huge number of people who never go on a rampage. And we have basically no ability to “fix” such people anyway. The solution is gun control or nothing. Gun control isn’t politically possible in the US; so it’s nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/96 "2018-02-15T12:54:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This shit is not going on _ **now** _ in any other civilized country on earth. Ehhhh…while I’m in general agreement with your point, and while the motivations behind the incident were different…I remember those pictures from the Bataclan all too well, and it wasn’t that long ago nor was it the first time. Those disgusting, long streaks of blood all over the ground with corpses strewn about…it’s not an image I’ll soon forget. That was some horrific shit. While I don’t like to use the words “civilized” and “uncivilized” to talk about countries, and even the “first-world/third-world” labels are becoming less useful…I think France would qualify as a country that exemplifies what you mean by that word. _School_ shootings seem to be a specifically American phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/97 "2018-02-15T12:57:38Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I thought I lived in a free society, but Irish children aren’t being shot in their classrooms every week so I guess we missed something. Obviously you don’t understand freedom. To truly liberate the children of Ireland, each must have unfettered access to a helicopter gunship. And grenades. With each massacre that happens with sickening regularity in Freedomland, the only consistent factor is the republican response. Do nothing, because freedom. Well praise Jesus, his lessons were learned oh so well. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/98 "2018-02-15T13:15:07Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > _School_ shootings seem to be a specifically American phenomenon. Only because there are so many guns and so many shootings overall. The Vegas tragedy wasn’t a school shooting, nor the one in San Bernardino, nor the church shooting in Texas last year, nor the literally many thousands that occur every single year. It may seem like school shootings are uniquely American because they tend to be among the most shocking, but they do occur in other countries; they’re just very, very rare, like all shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/99 "2018-02-15T13:19:41Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > Beat the shit out of him, try him and execute him. > [@UCBearcats](#): > > When these fucking shit stains are arrested and it is 100% that they did it, they should be immediately stoned to death very very slowly. The Second Amendment obviously has greater priority than the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843/100 "2018-02-15T13:25:38Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > _School_ shootings seem to be a specifically American phenomenon. I don’t think anyone posting about other countries is saying that. Canada, the U.K. And Australia have all had school/uni shootings. The difference is that in those countries, the reaction doesn’t start and end with “thoughts and prayers.” Governments took action to reduce access to guns and those societies reject the gun culture of the US. Of course, based on the comments of some posters in this thread, that just is an indication that countries like Canada, the UK and Australia are unfree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-school-shooting-stoneman-douglas-2-14-2018/808843.md?page=6)