# Another Star Wars comment... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2000, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618 "2000-11-25T04:25:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/21 "2000-11-26T02:43:33Z")
If you’re into the stories, you would know that the shell that C3PO got was a pretty standard protocol droid shell… same for R2. In the Star Wars Encylopedia, it mentions that it’s standard practice to wipe droid memories periodically. This is backed up in the Everything you Wanted to Know about Star Wars Droids book. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/22 "2000-11-26T03:06:14Z")
Hell, if you watch the first two movies, you’ll see more Threepios! One in the first part of A New Hope. And then, in TESB, another Threepio swears at OUR Threepio in Cloud City on Bespin. E Shuda! And Threepio’s like, “Oh rude!” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/23 "2000-11-26T06:57:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Harvey The Heavy \* > The stormtroopers ambush the transport by firing a few shots to disable it. They then board the transport to search for the droids, and maybe go through the paperwork to find out where they went Paperwork? I can’t picture a jawa making out an invoice. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/24 "2000-11-26T08:55:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Spoofe-do NOT ever, EVER, EVER mention Kevin J. Anderson as a good source-got it? Whoa whoa whoa WHOA, hold it right there… I never said he was a GOOD source. Just _A_ source. The example of his that I used, showing that Han is as Force-blind as you or me, is backed up by the rest of the series. Just because his writing is a little… _off_ (to be polite), it doesn’t mean that his conclusions are inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/25 "2000-11-26T10:48:00Z")
Kevin J. Anderson. Eeeeeeewwww… I’ve read a couple of his, um, novels. They seem to be written for a twelve to fourteen year old audience. Trouble is, by the time Star Wars novels started being written, the audience that would be reading them was getting into their,um, I mean, our, twenties. _dangerous confession coming up_ I like the Barbara Hambly novels though. Can’t really say why, except that their storylines are more, well, weird. There are also references to sex in them. The other Star Wars novelists apparently would have us believe that Han and Leia’s kids were conceived parthogenetically. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/26 "2000-11-26T17:09:11Z")
I know, Spoofe…there’s just so much rampant scum oozing off of the man. Hambly is OK…but I wasn’t too fond of Callista. What a whiny snob. Michael Stackpole and Timothy Zahn are really the best. BTW, did anyone read Shadows of the Empire…I heard an interesting rumor about a sequel…about Xizor…(not OUR Xizor…) ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/27 "2000-11-26T19:02:41Z")
As for Han’s force potential, remember the scene where the Falcon is headed straight for the Death Star (“that’s no moon…”) ObiWan tells Han “turn the ship around” and I think he’s trying a Jedi mind trick. Instead of saying “I’m gonna turn the ship around” Han says “yeah, I think you’re right…” My tow cents. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/28 "2000-11-27T01:34:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Han Solo has massive force potential, IMHO… there are several subtle clues that point to it, not the least of which is his well known luck, and his amazingly fast reflexes. To me, the biggest proof that Han has some Force potential is shown when he shoots the tentacle of the Sarlacc that’s holding Lando when he is still, for all intents and purposes, blind. Anyone else have ideas about that? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/29 "2000-11-27T10:36:29Z")
As far as Han Solo’s Force potential is concerned, just the fact that he actually manages to keep the _Millenium Falcon_ **flying** is pretty good evidence in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/30 "2000-11-27T16:33:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*BTW, did anyone read Shadows of the Empire…I heard an interesting rumor about a sequel…about Xizor…(not OUR Xizor…) > \*\* Ummm, yeah I read Shadows of the Empire. As for a sequel about Prince Xizor, he died, so that would make that kinda difficult, wouldn’t it? There has been a prequel of sorts already. The Bounty Hunter Trilogy or something like that, which was about Boba Fett but featured Xizor as a villian. I don’t recommend those books BTW, if you think Boba Fett is really cool than you will avoid it completely. In fact, forget I ever mentioned it. As for SW descrepancies, at the beginning of TESB, Obi-wan says that Yoda was his teacher, yet in The Phantom Menace, he is the apprentice of Qui-Gon. That doesn’t jive. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/31 "2000-11-27T17:54:35Z")
Xizor died. Or did he? Did anyone SEE him die? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/32 "2000-11-27T19:13:12Z")
Good point, but _Hard Merchandise_ described him as dead, and the SW book rule says all character developments must be consistent. Still, it would be very uplifting to learn that I was actually still alive 😃 ---
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/33 "2000-11-27T21:34:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DKW \* > \*\*As for Han killing Greedo, the thing that’s always bugged _me_ about it (other than both of them understanding each other despite speaking different languages) was that this was a classic case of the Fallacy of the Talking Killer. All Greedo has to pull the trigger and his task is done, yet he has to ramble on and on about how pleased Jabba’s going to be and how it’s too late for Han etc. etc. By shooting first, the movie at least gives a plausible reason why he didn’t kill Han (either his aim is horrible or he telegraphed his shot somehow and Han knew when to dodge) rather than excessive taunting and posturing, which, when you think about it, is a lot more idiotic. > > What would have made it better, though, would be for Greedo to conclude with a line like “So, do you have any last words?”. Something like that, so what did him in was simply a misguided sense of honor and not stupidity. Makes sense, right? \*\* Well he does, doesn’t he? Doesn’t Han say something about his getting the money (to which Greedo responds “If you give it to me, I may forget I ever found you”)? Of course, that doesn’t mean I like the re-take of the scene any more than you did. It was fine just the way it was. As to Stormtroopers blowing up the Jawa sandcrawler: I love the way they worked that into _Troops_ in such a way that it fit the timeline of the movie. * * * Pete Long time RGMWer and ardent AOLer ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/34 "2000-11-27T23:40:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Kevin J. Anderson. > > I’ve read a couple of [Kevin J. Anderson’s], um, novels. They seem to be written for a twelve to fourteen year old audience. Well, when I read them, I _was_ twelve to fourteen years old. I’m a young’un. > [@](#): > > As for Han’s force potential, remember the scene where the Falcon is headed straight for the Death Star (“that’s no moon…”) ObiWan tells Han “turn the ship around” and I think he’s trying a Jedi mind trick. Instead of saying “I’m gonna turn the ship around” Han says “yeah, I think you’re right…” I don’t think you need Force powers to convince someone to run away from the Death Star. > [@](#): > > To me, the biggest proof that Han has some Force potential is shown when he shoots the tentacle of the Sarlacc that’s holding Lando when he is still, for all intents and purposes, blind. Anyone else have ideas about that? To me, that just says the he was a good shot. And in the special edition, they inserted the line “I can see a lot better!” which, in my mind, kind of ruins it (it was inserted pretty crappily). Think of it this way… his vision was, at worst, very, very blurry. At about that time, he was able to make out shapes and forms. The difference between Lando’s dark clothing, the bleached-yellow of the sand, and the brownish-pink of the Sarlacc’s tentacle would have been very evident from only a few meters away. > [@](#): > > As for SW descrepancies, at the beginning of TESB, Obi-wan says that Yoda was his teacher, yet in The Phantom Menace, he is the apprentice of Qui-Gon. That doesn’t jive. I believe that it was explained this way: Yoda taught him when he was younger. He was apprenticed to Qui-Gon when he was older. That kind of fits… after all, you don’t have a single schoolteacher from K-12, do you? > [@](#): > > Hard Merchandise described [Xizor] as dead, and the SW book rule says all character developments must be consistent. Yeah, but _Hard Merchandise_ sucked sour frog ass. The only cool thing in the entire Bounty Hunter Wars was the thought of Boba Fett flying a Star Destroyer. On the other hand… how come there’s never been any mention of Xizor’s human replica droid (what was her name? Guri?). There were many hints provided that she survived, so how come none of the other authors picked up on that? Huh? HUH??? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/35 "2000-11-28T00:41:17Z")
[http://www.fanfix.com](http://www.fanfix.com) For those of you who can’t get enough. BTW, I have a story on there, that I’m working on, but it’s not really completed, and I have to change it. Also-I think Guri and Xizor both survived. WHO said in HM that Xizor was dead? After all, the whole thing about Thrawn and that in the Hand of Thrawn Duelogy… ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/36 "2000-11-28T01:20:22Z")
Guri’s got some new comics coming out. And i think it has been established that Xizor did not die. But Dash Rendar did. Thank goodness. ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/37 "2000-11-28T03:34:45Z")
I didn’t say trying to run like hell from the Death Star proved Han’s force potential, but shrugging of Obi-Wan’s Jedi mind trick was fairly impressive. Besides, potential or not, he’s one cool dude. Anyone who can draw on and get three shots off at Darth Vader and live to tell about it is tops in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Surgoshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Surgoshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surgoshan)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/38 "2000-11-28T05:38:49Z")
As one who has read the Phantom Menace book (which plays down how incredibly annoying Jar Jar is), I can say something about the Jedi system of teaching new Jedi. Children found to have force potential are taken from their parents in infancy. Those children are then given to a Jedi for teaching. Period. However, it’d be easy to reconcile in that Qui-Gon died, right? Maybe Obi-Wan doesn’t know **everything** , yet, right? Or maybe it’s more metaphorical, Yoda was the big bad man. Another bit of info from the books is about the Darths. Shortly after the Jedi discovered the force and changed from a philosophical order to the group we know and love, there was a schism. One group of Jedi wanted to use the Force to gain power and become the rulers. The Jedi wanted merely to be a beneficent guiding force. The group that wanted power fell into disorder and started killing each other, then the Jedi moved in and mopped up what was left. Except for one. He founded the Darths. Only two, at most, at any given time, a master and apprentice, who would hide from the Jedi and bide their time. That lasted for about a thousand years, I think, before the Skywalker Clan. And why would Vader want to go back to Tatooine? He left his mother there. Presumably, she died there. Maybe his wife died there. And, I have to ask. If Annie was an only child, where did Uncle Owen and Aunt Baru come from? ---
**Author:** ![MattTheCroc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MattTheCroc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MattTheCroc)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/39 "2000-11-28T05:48:30Z")
Sorry, Dash Rendar didn’t die… the author (Steve Perry, IIRC) has mentioned it and the comics and N64 game both note this. SotE was intended to be a full experience on par with the OT with its soundtrack, book, game, figures etc, and Steve Perry had a hand in a fair bit of it, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Chocobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Chocobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chocobo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618/40 "2000-11-28T05:53:32Z")
Just a guess, but I’d say they’re not really his blood uncle and aunt. Kinda like when you’re a young child and you call friends of your parents ‘Uncle’ or something like that. It’s my guess that Xizor’s really not dead. Vader was the last one to see him, and that was over a comm signal. Then he blew up his skyhook. It would’ve been simple for Xizor to just use his skyhook as a relay for his transmission, to make it appear he was dead. Or he could really be dead. It leaves a nice hole for sequels, don’t you think? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-star-wars-comment/42618.md?page=3)